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Has anyone a sub for www.newspaperarchive.com and can look up the North China Herald , it is an English language news paper.

I am looking for the death of Isabella Cattelle who was buried in Bubbling well cemetery, Peking. Also any other reference to the family, particularly William her husband b 1861. They were married 19/1/1885 in West derby. Also their daughters Mabel b1888 in England and Florence, I don't know where she was born.
Thanks Anne
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Anne it's a good challenge for your brain, keep it active.

You will get there eventually. It has taken me nearly 10 yrs to track down my paternal grandmother's family and I am still looking for one of her sisters.

Jennifer

I am still trying to figure it out, I was hoping that one would be a Dawson, but no such luck!!

Also there are Alice's relations, Thomas Attkinson was a pig farmer and my mother said that it was said that Alice could cut up a carcase as clean as any man!!!
Why oh why did I start this. There are too many blind alleys.
Anne

Could they have been relatives of Isabella senior (Cowen if I recall ) from Cumberland??

Hi
You will never believe this but I put into the 1891 census Butcher Kirkdale and I got 164 results. What were they doing in Liverpool, they must have eaten meat until it came out of their ears!!!!
Unfortunately other than Isabella Dawson and Henry Smith there was only one other Smith and there were no other names that jumped out.
Anne

Might not be!!
At least they are in the right place and in the right occupation.I will try following the lead.

Anne

clutching at straws!
1881
Name: Jeremiah O Donnell
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Limerick, Ireland

Civil parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 66 Sessions Road
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Butcher

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
David Howlett 42
Anne Howlett 36
James Howlett 13
James J. O Donnell 20
Jeremiah O Donnell 21

Hi Jennifer
I put Zachariah -Butcher into Find my Past and only one in Lancashire came up in the 1891 and 1901 census. It is zachariah Longworth, but he is in Kearsley and I think that would have been too far away. As mother and son lived in Kirkdale in 1891.

Anne

I googled Zachamiah and it is a Biblical name but very un common, also there are none of that name coming up at all on Ancestry. So I would probably go with Sylvia that it was Zachariah.

Hi Sylvia

Yes it could be. My mother wrote it by hand in pencil and it looks like the same ending as Jeremiah but.............
Anne

Zachamiah is a very unusual name



are you sure it was not actually Zachariah?




sylvia

Has anyone a sub for the newspaperarchive.com and can look up the North China Herald , it is an English language news paper.

I am looking for the death of Isabella Cattelle who was buried in Bubbling well cemetery, Peking. Also any other reference to the family, particularly William her husband b 1861. They were married 19/1/1885 in West derby. Also their daughters Mabel b1888 in England and Florence, I don't know where she was born.
Thanks Anne

I have just been reading again what my Mother wrote. She says that she did not know her aunt but heard a lot about her so the story regarding the gloves must have been acquired memory. So they could have been married prior to WW1 as she says. It is a pity we can't pick up Florence, as given the dates of Isabella's marriage and Mabel's birth, it could be in-between. If the sailing dates are right would she have been left in China given the problems there at the time?
Anne

Hi Jennifer, yes I am getting to the age when you don't need so much sleep and son is staying with me and hogs the computer in the evenings. I just wish I had more energy to go with it.

I was hoping that one of our American friends had a sub for the newspaper site. I know there are some references to Cattelle but they are difficult to read with out a password.
Anne

Ann you do get up early! according to the time of your postings.

Sorry can't offer much help. I don't see any reason for Isabella to have used her maiden name unless she was separated or divorced but the children would surely still have kept their surnames.

I think you said earlier that both girls married before WW1?
Perhaps Florence was born in China?

If your mother remembers Mabel age about 14 then that would have been around 1911 which actually makes her quite young to have been married before the war.

(Just tossing a few thoughts about)

Jennifer

Hi Back again .. Still puzzling over Isabella.

A Friend has found these:-

William Alfred Cattelle age 53 b abt 1861
Arrival date 11 oct 1914
Port of departure Yokohama Japan
Port of arrival London England

I can't find a death date for him, so did he return or go somewhere else?
Why was Isabella not with him, was she dead?

If the next two are right she was travelling under her maiden name. was this usual then?

I smith age 29 b abt 1865
Arrival date 20 Dec 1894
Port of departure Shanghai China
Port of arrival Southampton

Did she come back to have a baby, if so was it Florence.. I can't find her birth?

Isabella Smith age 58 b abt 1864
Arrival date 10 may 1922
Port of departure China
Port of Arrival London

This could be her as my mother would have been 11 yrs. But Mother remembers Mabel and Florence as they had to have servants as she was astonished " that they couldn't even button up their own gloves." Mabel would have been 14.

Has anyone a sub for the newspaperarchive.com and can look up the North China Herald for the death of Isabella Cattelle?
Thanks Anne

Thanks for all the assistance.

It is so frustrating to have such lovely information and not be able to find them
Anne

I have found Lowfield house Knotty ash on a map of 1850, but not on the census. on the 1911 census there is a Lowfield Prescot Rd.
My mother describes the farm kitchen and animals she was about 10 years old.
Anne

Yes this is correct The first girl only lived a short while I think 2 days. Stanley was born Jan 1903 died age 5yrs of pneumonia Evelyn b Dec 1903 d 1961 Kathleen b June 1911 d2002

Anne