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you also found a Leonard mmn = Lester (mis-spelt Leicester?) in 1914.

Have wondered if that May was a mistranscription or enumerator writing & should have been Mary

If Mary was originally Irish could they have got married in Ireland - a whole new can of worms!

hi everyone this is my condensed version john edward married elizabeth h cropper i can only see 2 children for them may 1899 &norman 1915 mary enters their lifes as his bit on the side she then has arthur 1907-rose1909-leonard1914- &sydney 1922 she already has ellen/nellie but from the records she had children with john that died i wonder what happened to may as jan showed earlier elizabeth died in 1915 so mary must have raised norman as her own but as julie said there appears to be no marriage for john&mary i was also checking the same pages as julie please tell me if my shortened version is different than what you think regards martyn

hi dorothy thanks for info i am now going to sit down with all my bits of paper and see which wife or none wife had which children thanks also to ann,jan &julie you have been very busy but i feel a lot of progress has been made will be back when i sort out my paperwork

There is a Thomas Jones birth and death 1901 leigh

Name: John E Jones
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Betsy
Gender: Male
Where born: Flint, Wales

Civil parish: Tyldesley With Shakerley
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Atherton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
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Household schedule number: 175
Household Members: Name Age
John E Jones 27
Betsy Jones 23
Nellie Jones 2
Thomas Jones 1 month


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sorry its back to "the drawing board" i haven't got the answers!

Dream? Can't get to sleep for thinking about them!

There is a school of thought that suggests that dreams help us to resolve things. So perhaps you'll have all the answers when you wake up tomorrow............!

Must get to bed now got to be up early in the morning i will go and dream about them!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure Jan but they'll probably turn out to be mmn Leicester anyway...............






I jest obviously

Yes there were Jones + Cheetham children way back 1840's & 50's I think and then they recur again much later

Yet on lancs bmd it's given as mmn Leicester

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1907

JONES Arthur Oldham South Oldham LEICESTER OSOU/6/371

Oops did you just edit your post to say that Ann?

just noticed that Jones + Cheetham you posted

witness to Rose Ann marriage was a Mary Elizabeth Cheetham

missing Iris - could she have belonged to Ada / Arthur

The Arthur Jones b 14-5-1907 had mmn = Man......(thought it said manning but not easily readable - could have been Manghan) which this time is Leicester in lancsbmd - inconsistent lot weren't they!!
s of John Edward & Mary (Maria)

Are we needing children for Ada/Arthur does anyone know?

add to that

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1931
JONES Kenneth John Oldham East Oldham HEYWOOD

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1933
JONES Mavis Mary Oldham East Oldham HEYWOOD
(same qtr as death of Sarah E)

not found Iris

data on page 11 lost in the mist of time in my brain!

We all three posted at the same time!
Well done for finding Ada - that one was unfindable a while ago.

yes Ann got marriage /death on page 11

just found this one

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1929
JONES Arthur HEYWOOD Sarah E Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended

Deaths Sep 1933 (>99%)
Jones Sarah E 25 Oldham 8d 702

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1937
JONES Arthur COUNSELL Ada Manchester, Blackley, Holy Trinity

we know Arthurs 2nd wife was an Ada

? this one
Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
Heywood Sarah E Jones Oldham 8d 2396****
Huntingdon Gilbert Jones Oldham 8d 2396
Jones Arthur Heywood Oldham 8d 2396***
Jones Emily Huntingdon Oldham 8d 2396

As posted by Jan on pg11

possible 1 st marriage for Arthur
Name: Arthur Jones
Spouse Sarah E Heywood
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1929
Registration district: Oldham
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 2396

Wonder if there is some distant interbreeding going on in this family as trawling through mmn again on lancs bmd there are children of
Jones+ Glover
Jones + Heywood
Jones + Cheetham

It does feel like we are getting ever closer though with the info you've found.

Julie