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no i don't know were he his ,sad to think of him on his own somewhere

Ah ok - not the first Norman then.
So sad that so many children died early in those days.

hi julie,
theywere glover babies john age 12 day's 1918.
hilda age 9 months 1922,so mmn leicester,ellens children.
john edward 1927,
sarah ellen 1933(arthurs 1st wife).
thomas age 18 months 1913

Hi all
Martyn what are the details on John's grave? Who were the 2 Leicester children buried there?
Julie

hi,
norman's birth address of 20,taylor st.is the address were thomas died in 1913,looks like mary told a few fib's

i now have,
john&elizabeth's marriage cert,
peter&mary leicester's marriage cert,
ann jones death cert,
thomas hinchcliffe's birth cert,
a list of address's for the family from 1905-1960,
detail's on john's grave

jan have pm'd you

wonder if its worth putting another thread (link this one to it ) asking for a look up at Kew for Boer war records for John Edward as we have been told this is why he isn't on 1901 census ?

i have been trying to find any wills that john or elizabeth may have made with no luck,
so there is obviously no hidden millions in my family,only joking.
i dont think they had anything to leave anyone.

could try looking for wills perhaps?

no we have no proof,how do we go about trying to get this? or is this the end of the line

but we have no proof that that is the right Elizabeth Jones death. Do we???????

ok,this is fact.
john occupation on-
norman's birth cert.
norman's wedding cert,
mary's death cert,
john's death cert,
the jones/cropper marriage,
he is down as moulder or moulder in iron works.
now,on elizabeth's death cert she has her john down as electrical engineer,
it seems to me at the moment that it is slightly in favour,that it could be my john,how could we find the proof needed to verify this,gene is going to look at elizabeth's grave to see if there is a stone on it that would shed any light on it.

hi jan
she was going to go through the thread today,so i don't know at the moment

Hi did Gene think the birth/marriage record in Wrexham might be the family

owen down as a forgeman on wedding cert.


here's one for you on ann's death cert she is down as widow of howard jones? he was a iron puddler!!!

hi
gene has wedding cert for john&elizabeth,his occupation is moulder,
also on electoral reg 1918 mary down as elizabeth ,then still as elizabeth with different children until 1939 then she went back to mary

yes he was a moulder in a ironworks

going right back to the beginning with mary E jones death cert - did it state John edward's occupation on the certificate

I know you have probably said it somewhere but there is a lot to re-read

forget the above i think this is her,
florence edwards died may 1990,
born 23-7-1900,
died in oldham