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hi jan have just found a death for a john e jones aged 53 in 1927 apr-may-jun that would make him born around 1874 what do you think

thanks for that Julie, will need to keep looking then as this doesn't look like a match to 1901 records! back to the drawing board.

Could be the one Martyn ,i'm afraid the only way to be sure is to get the cert unless the contacts you made can help with anymore info.

have sent off some today to people with elizabeth cropper 1876 in their trees not had any back yet martyn

fingers crossed then!

possible 1 st marriage for Arthur
Name: Arthur Jones
Spouse Sarah E Heywood
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1929
Registration district: Oldham
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 2396

children
Mavis 1933
Kenneth 1931


wonder if this is then her death
Name: Sarah E Jones
Death Registration Month/Year: 1933
Age at death (estimated): 25
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 702

hi jan just heard back from helen she has no dates but opened her tree we have thomas cropper 1850 &cecelia mercer 1850 have 3 children thomas 1875 ,elizabeth 1876 ,& mary 1880 not oldham but in lancashire about arthur you could be right i found birth for mavis mmn heywood 1933 jul- aug- sept

?????????????????? male marriage so i wonder who it should be really images seem right
Edward Dawson / Arthur Jones
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1940
Registration district: Oldham
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 2635

arthurs 2nd wife was called ada and somewhere there is a iris mum cannot remember if she was adas daughter or ada &arthurs daughter

see what you mean just looked it does say edward

Hi
On lancs BMD site, that marriage is EDWARD DAWSON and ALTHUR JONES at St Stephen and All Martyrs, lower moor, oldham
Strange
Joan

i wonder if she had a double barrel name i know she was female she made my wedding cake in the 70s unless i can boast the 1st civil ceremony

got to go out now hopfully will get on line later

looked at the 1940 image for arthur Jones (definitely Arthur not Althur) and it does say Dawson p 2635

the images for edward says Jones p 2635 as well

interesting isn't it Ann.
I haven't been able to find the Arthur/Ada marriage
nor Ellen Leicester in 1911 census as the one i found doesn't have right mother
wondering if the 1911 we had with Nellie 1899 is really Ellen?

hi jan &ann no connection on the emails i sent i am still waiting for a few to respond so still a bit of hope martyn

thanks for update Martyn

just been on 1881 census to see peter leicster to see if it was his brother ellen may have been staying with in 1911 but his only brother was samuel this is so weird

are you going to get grandads marriage cert? as if i remember the right years it was after the possible death you have for his father so the cert should say dec'd (i know it still doesn't prove its the right one but does help narrow the year span)

i think i may have to just seen that peters dad william is not on 1901 census his wife is a widow wonder if they died together