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My thoughts exactly - I've looked! Feel that may be a vital missing link. Does anyone know if parts of Oldham may be missing from the 1901 census?

Julie

i have searched fmp but it says no results also been through every john jones on genes i cannot find a match,any ideas what to try next

can't find anything on the Oldham site to say any 1901 parts missing

maybe a trawl thru the marriage index for Our Lady (with any luck there is an index) to see if any marriage is there - or even the marriage of Mary to Peter Leicester MAY have something added in the margin as to another marriage - we have to have SOME luck somewhere

ann did you get your certs yet .no luck here yet

no - but someone who ordered on 28th march got theirs yesterday
mine will probably come Saturday when I am away!
getting closer anyway

hi jan,ann,&julie
had a email from gene,norman was born in 1915 he was 8yrs younger than arthur,genes mum verified the age gap,it still doesnt explain the cropper mmn though.gene left a phone number so i will call later today&see if i can get any more info martyn

If only we didn't have to wait for Monday's post. Lets hope it arrives soon and will it be our luck that mother's name is on there as a witness!!!!

after a long conversation with gene ,a few things have come to light.
1st mary sometimes used the name elizabeth and as we know a lot of different surnames.normans birth address is the same as arthurs 20 taylor st ,gene has the original census for 1911,you were right jan it is them its the way she wrote mary it does look like may but she took 10yrs of her age.john edward was in boer war in 1901 thats why we cannot find him.like us she doesnt know if he was married before ,arthur did not know ,gene cannot find a marriage for john&mary

Hi - just got back from a weekend away (sad isn't it that one of the first things I do is look at this!). My certificates did not arrive yesterday either.

It does seem though that things are getting clearer.

Her's hoping for tomorrow

hope you had a nice weekend,i was hoping my cert would come tomorrow,not looking good for me is it.
peter leicester&son died of t.b.

still a bit confused about Norman's different birth info. so his mmn was Cropper but Gene says (if i have it right)she had seen christening info for date before you have on birth cert?

i think gene must have seen the 1905 norman ,my norman was born in 1915&gene agrees as norman was 8yrs younger than arthur,gene has a lot of info on mary &has traced her family back quite a way ,but no marriage ,the problem has been with john

quote from Gene on page 19
* Norman is that his birth was 5 Mar 1912 and he was baptized 7 April 1912 at Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St Patricks RC Church. They lived at 32 Cromwell street and mothers maiden name was recorded as Manning (Mary used several different surnames on her childrens bapisms I have found).*

so she was relating to a 1912!

i dont know jan ,she just said my date was right &the address on birth cert tied in,she wasnt suprised at the mmn cropper,

had this from lancs record office

Thank you for your enquiry. I checked the marriage index on the website www.lancashirebmd.org.uk and found an entry for a marriage for John Jones and Emily Smith in the July/Aug/Sept quarter of 1901 in Oldham with a registrar attending. This means that the marriage either took place at the registry office or in a Roman Catholic or Non-Conformist church. The original registers for Oldham, Our Lady of Mount Carmel (our ref RCOM). are held here at the Lancashire Record Office so I then checked the 1901 marriage register for the relevant quarter but could find no entry for a John Jones.

I think they are trying to say if it is not on lancsbmd it did not happen??????

I had just asked them to look for a marriage of a John Edward Jones between 1901 & 1904 (thought they might not look for a longer period 7 choose what I thought might be a possibility

hi ann thanks for trying,if no one can find them i dont think they married maybe she just took his name i hate the thought of defeat in this after all the work that has gone into it.maybe we will get some info when the cert arrives

no cert again today.whats going on.any idea how late the gro are running ,i thought they may have caught up by now

1 - Due to an increase in current demand for certificates from GRO, orders placed under the standard service are at present subject to a 5 day additional despatch time.
Thats all i can see on the GRO website

mines already gone 7,mind you that may be a small wait ,very frustrating

received mine today (ordered 31 march)

Any of you Jones researchers want a death cert for Elizabeth Jones died 1878 in Liverpool age 79???