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what a strange family i come from i do have marys death cert leonard was informant but if john&mary did not marry the children obviously didnt know

just a thought i am not 100%certain but i think that elizabeth had a sister mary i wonder if may is her daughter i think i remember seeing her in the marriages &that must mean she married a jones i hope my memory is not playing tricks

If he married in 1898 to Elizabeth hannah Cropper ( and I can't find a death until 1927 for an E H Jones) then we should be able to find John With ELIZABETH in 1901 & 1911

If that 1911 one with May is a mistranscription and it should be E H then we should be able to find John, E H AND Nellie in 1901

That's the trouble Ann-I've looked extensively for John+ Elizabeth in 1901 and can't find them.

Did you see my post last night with the idea they were estranged?

Also if Martyn's Nellie Jones is in fact Ellen Leicester then she wasn't born to John + Elizabeth.

I've also tried to trace back on Elizabeth Hannah Cropper through the census' & can't identify her-(there was one on freebmd born 1869 in Oldham)

Very frustrating!

Julie

The only thing that ties this Jones + Cropper marriage to Martyn is Norman's birth certificate. That birth in itself is a bit strange as there is only one other Jones + Cropper birth in 1899 - unless they lived somewhere else inbetween.

Martyn- does your mum think that Norman was born in 1915 or is that date based on his death certificate?

The first qtr of births on freebmd is incomplete for 1915 so I'll try and look at the indexes for Jones

Julie

hi everyone i have been through dates around 1915 &i cannot find anything he was in his early 70s when he died in 1986. i have been through 1900-1920. on lancs bmd all regions with no joy

having a look for grandfather's ww1 records do you have any other info than Manchester regt. i.e an army number?
could Norman have been born anywhere else? could mother have moved to a safer place as it was during the war?

no other details what i gave you is what it says on birth cert sorry.i have trawled lancbmd from1898 -1930 checked everymmn and nothing different is there just what we have found

http://www.tameside.gov.uk/archives/manchesterregiment
Local Studies and Archives Centre
Central Library
Old Street
Ashton-under-Lyne
OL6 7SG

do you live anywhere near here they have Manchester regt. info not service records but worth a look on the link to see what they do hold

thanks for that jan but i live in gt yarmouth will have a look on the site thanks

hi jan i looked at the site it looks like they keep a lot of information after easter i will email them to see if i can get any info.
i have spent most of the day looking at any combination in various records and i am no further forward i am at a complete stop now is there something we are missing ?
why no census records?
why no marriage for john&mary
what happened to may1899.john edward1902&thomas1912 also norman1905

I guess the Norman 1905 may have died

Deaths Sep 1907 (>99%)
JONES Norman 2 Oldham 8d 392

I assume the john Edward of 1902 is the jack on the 1911 census

I think we are back to waiting for the marriage cert details that you are going to send for. did you know they are going to cost £9.25 from Tuesday from GRO so don't know if you want to order online before then!

Is Mossley Circuit anywhere in Oldham district?

Baptisms: 17 Apr 1898 Methodist New Connexion, Mossley Circuit, Lancashire, England
May Jones - Daughter of John Jones & Eliza
Born: 1 Apr 1898
Abode: 35 Wyre St
Notes: Baptised aged 16 days
Baptised by: Jno W Walls
Register: Baptisms 1880 - 1899, Page 99, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 2357134

Julie

EDIT Wrong year so probably not the right May Jones

Editing this post as I think it may be a red herring. Ditto the one above but will leave that one in just in case

Julie

hi everyone thanks for staying with me on this nightmare family . will plod away again today .not sure if i will find much more but will keep trying

DO order that marriage certificate on line today if you can It will only cost you £7 today. If you wait until Tuesday it will cost you £9.25.

We really do need the confirmation that cert will give as at the moment we all seem to be fitting theories to theories!

hi ann ihave been on lancsbmd it is £9 to order cert i suppose because no one will be there till tuesday it will get sorted i promise

As far as I am aware if you order through the GRO today the price will not have gone up. It looks like lancsbmd have set their prices ready for Tues

edit - just done a dummy run thru GRO and prices still £7

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

in case you have not got it these are the details you need - don't forget to select the box ' GRO ref known'

Marriages Mar 1935 (>99%)
Jones Norman P Lockhart Oldham 8d 1025