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Did this ever have any finalisation?
Did Garry David get the birth certs?

possible death of John William Watkinson:-

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: WATKINSON, John W
Registration District: York
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1933
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 74
Volume No: 9D
Page No: 19


also his wife Elizabeth:-

Deaths Dec 1943
Watkinson Elizabeth age 82 York 9c 1135

These two births on Yorkshire BMD:-

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WATKINSON Herbert Walmgate York WAL/93/96


Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WATKINSON Gertrude Walmgate York WAL/99/18

and on freeBMD

Births Sep 1892
WATKINSON Herbert York 9d 58

Births Mar 1895
Watkinson Gertrude York 9d 50


and those of the children in the above census with father John william and mother Elizabeth Watkinson:-

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1883
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WATKINSON Jessie Walmgate York WAL/74/92

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1889
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WATKINSON Frank Walmgate York WAL/87/25

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WATKINSON Eliza Walmgate York WAL/89/80

Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WATKINSON John W Walmgate York WAL/77/70

All born in same place so would sugest that they may be all the same family?

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: WATKINSON, John William
Registration District: York
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 9D
Page No: 80

BEAUMONT, Elizabeth

On the 1881 census:.......


1881 census transcription details for: ?, Heworth (York Nr)
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 4727 Folio: 31 Page: 7

Reg. District: York Sub District: Walmgate
Parish: Heworth (York Nr) Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: ?, Heworth (York Nr)
County: Yorkshire (East riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
WATKINSON, John Head Married M 46 1835 Engine Driver Of Herald Office
Knaresboro
Yorkshire
WATKINSON, Mary Wife Married F 57 1824
Pontefract
Yorkshire
WRIGGLESWORTH (WATKINSON), George Son Of First H Single M 33 1848 Confectioner
Little Fenton
Yorkshire
>>>>>>>WATKINSON, John Wm Son Married M 23 1858 Bricklayer
York
Yorkshire
>>>>>>>>>>WATKINSON, Elizab Sons Wife Married F 20 1861
Heworth
Yorkshire
WATKINSON, Susanna Daughter Single F 21 1860 At Home
York
Yorkshi




1891 census transcription details for: Harrison Street, Heworth, York
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 3895 Folio: 65 Page: 6

Reg. District: York Sub District: Walmgate
Parish: Heworth Enum. District: 33
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity Heworth City/Municipal Borough: York
Address: Harrison Street, Heworth, York
County: Yorkshire (East Riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
WATKINSON, John Wm Head Married M 33 1858 Bricklayer
York
WATKINSON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 30 1861
York
WATKINSON, Jessie Daughter Single F 7 1884 Scholar
York
WATKINSON, John Wm Son M 6 1885 Scholar
York
WATKINSON, Frank Son M 2 1889
York
WATKINSON, Eliza Daughter F 0 (UNDER10M) 1891

A James Herbert has sister Gertrude born Hull Feb 1894
A George Watkinson came to Brisbane Asutralia with a Gertrude and I am not sure if he is her father or brother

Pam

My dad used to put his teeth in Domestos. Actually I think it was Lanry.

Dear Maryb So why dont you get them all out and get these lovely plastic ones like mine you can even paint the odd ones black to be athentic
Garry

I'am a Yorkshire lass born and bred.

Maryb

Mad Meg i will second that if it wasnt for you guys i would be up the creek without a paddle good on yer all Garry

Dear Mary b all i can say is OUCH? You should have teeth like us Yorkshire Folk we TAKE them OUT every night and put em in a glass of
Demestos they stay white all day and keeps your breath sweet
Garry

Garry David, you might notice that all your supporters on this thread are female, so get down to Asda yourself!

I'll provide the wine - my daughter works for a firm of wine importers.

Are we having red herrings and brussels sprouts?

Sorry to hear about your teeth Mary b, we all hate the dentist.

Anyhow, get that birth cert and let us know what it says.

I'm a tough cookie at times, but I've been heartened by everyone's support of Garry David after he initially made a £%$$& up of it.

Good team effort by all.

Margaret

I certainly do wish you luck ,I've tried everything,was even wondering if elizabeth their mum had divorced and remarried.

Its strang none of them can be found.

Maryb.

And I'm like a dog with a bone,I find it hard to give in.

P.S I could do with a good meal,I've been having a crown sorted in my mouth and going back for it fitting in the morning.For the past two weeks I've been trying to eat soft stuff so i didn't disturb the tempory filling which covers three teeth and it isn't funny.
I won't be getting another.

DEAR Mad Meg Sounds good to me Iwill tell the wife to get to asda and get cooking dont worry about the wine we always have a good supply in
Garry David

Dear Maryb that is my next plan of action wish me luck Garrt David

Hi Garry David,

You will see I've already stuck my nose in, and people have been really busy. We've got Herbert's parents in several years, but not Herbert or his sister Gertrude. I think we've given up on finding them.

But Herbert was also a bricklayer? Wonder if that will give anyone any new ideas.

I now think you have to get Herbert's birth cert to prove that what he said on his marriage cert is true.

By the way, we're all coming round to your place for dinner on Saturday night.

Right Garry now can you tell us where they were in 1901 and 1911 as it is driving us all up the wall.

Maryb

Well, I think we've done all we can. I've a major rellie in my own tree who disappears for two decades, I've spent a small fortune trawling workhouses, hospitals, the army etc. and never found him. He was a chimney sweep, so I've come to the conclusion that he was up a chimney on census night!

I am as confident as I can be that Herbert is the son of the John Wiliam bricklayer and Elizabeth Beaumont we have found. Borne out by all the research here and some of the trees on Ancestry. And John William is likely the son of John b Knaresborough and Mary b Pontefract, though the Ancestry trees have two possible Marys.

But I'd still advise that Garry David gets the birth cert of Herbert 1892. If we'd found him living with John William and Elizabeth he could perhaps manage without it - but we haven't. If it were me I'd want a bit more proof that he didn't just fabricate his father as John William on marriage (as possibly did Gertrude as well).

Is that sensible advice folks?

Ok Folks I got the marriage cert and the details are as follows
Herbert Watkinson 22 years of age Bricklayer Living in yard offEast Parade heworth york. father aJohn William Watkinson Bricklayer
Elizabeth Squirrell aged 18 Domestic Servent 19 Ebor Buildings York
Father Edward Squirrell General labour
The Marriage took place in York at the York Registry Office on the 10 Oct
1914 hope thats explained every thing but if not let me know Garry David

No it doesn't.

I have found John Watkinson born 1835 in knaresborough the father of John William

1911 John retired engine driver born 1835 living at 26,Belle Vue St
York with daughter martha Marston nee Watkinson born 1862,but thats it.

I have tried going through 1901 with just Gertrude first name only with parents John and Elizabeth.

If none are coming up then its likely to be those flipping transcribers again.

Maryb