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Ok, Just to clarify for everyone else- Billy, the eldest son, was your Nan's child- and not Victor's child from his first marriage.

Yes thats correct.

It is a possibility that he was born abroad, hence our difficulty in tracing him- However, I know he married as Victor Charles- and may well have been known as Victor, but he may have been born Charles Victor- or a longer name containing these. Many people changed their names around (and fudged their ages- especially if there was a large age gap, or were underage).

A possible:
Births Jun 1887
Webb William Charles Victor Chorlton 8c 790
Father- Thomas Henry Webb (mechanical engineer)

Yes i have also thought about the possibility of him being born abroad. The 1911 census ,as i said previously named a Victor charles being a visitor from New Zealand perhaps thats where he first married etc. Are there any ways of tracing this do you think?

There's this Thomas Henry in Manchester, but he's an iron turner:

1891 England Census
about Thomas Henry Webb
Name: Thomas Henry Webb
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Kate
Gender: Male
Where born: Openshaw; Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Henry Webb 26
Kate Webb 26
William Webb 3
Clara Webb 2
Edith Webb 4 months
Ann Higginbotham 29 Sister in Law
William Higginbotham 5

Here's that child's marriage - to Olive M Webb:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about William C V Webb
Name: William C V Webb
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Surname: Webb
District: Barton Upon Irwell (1850-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 1060 (click to see others on page)

The Thomas Henry in Manchester listed on the 1891 later becomes a mechanical engineer (1901).

Alison- I can't find the details of a Victor Webb b1891- a visitor from New Zealand, on the 1911 census. Can you put the details up.

Here's the same family, dad is now an Engineering Manager. Oh this is the one with the visitor from New Zealand - but he wasn't born there.

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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WEBB, Thomas Henry Head Married M 46 1865 Engineering Manger Manchester VIEW
WEBB, Kate Wife Married
24 years F 46 1865 Domestic Housewife Manchester VIEW
WEBB, William Charles Victor Son Single M 23 1888 None In Visit From N Z Manchester VIEW
WEBB, Clara Florence Daughter Single F 22 1889 None Manchester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23646 Reference:
RG14PN23646 RG78PN1376 RD463 SD3 ED24 SN210

Registration District:
Barton upon Irwell Sub District:
Stretford EnumerationDistrict:
24 Parish:
Stretford

Address:
252 Upper Chorlton S W Manchester County:
Lancashire

I can't find a birth for Olive M Webb. However, there is a death of William C. Webb in 1970, age 82, in Cuckfield, and a death of Olive Marguerite Webb in 1973, age 83 also in Cuckfield. So if that's the right pair, he didn't marry Elsie Dyer.

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Maybe this is Olive in 1911?

HARPER, Elizabeth Head Widow F 63 1848 Manchester Greenlezo VIEW
WEBB, Olive Mary Niece Single F 22 1889 Manchester Gorton VIEW
ELKINS, Cyril Boarder Single M 20 1891 Engineer Electrical India Central VIEW
CONSTANTINE, Herman Boarder Single M 19 1892 Apprentice Lancashire Bolton VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23634 Reference:
RG14PN23634 RG78PN1376 RD463 SD3 ED12 SN270

Registration District:
Barton upon Irwell Sub District:
Stretford EnumerationDistrict:
12 Parish:
Stretford

Address:
106 Victoria Road Stretford County:
Lancashire

Yes the olive m webb is deffinately not relevant to my search however the 1911 census in the one above was the one i was talking about, that certainly sounds more like him doesnt it? that may also link him to the lancashire area where he and my nan lived as she was born and wed in middlesex before moving up north with him.

I'd be pretty confident that the William CV in 1911 married this Olive M. Whether she died and he is your man, I can't tell.

As he sounds a bit of a rogue, he may even have just left her and pretended he was a widower.

This is probably the William above - he is an Engineer.

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Mr William Webb
Name: Mr William Webb
Port of Departure: Wellington, New Zealand
Arrival Date: 3 Dec 1910
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Wellington, Buenos Aires, Montevideo and Las Palmas
Ship Name: Tongariro
Search Ship Database: View the 'Tongariro' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: New Zealand Shipping Company Ltd
Official Number: 111356

Thankyou all so much for your help i really do appreciate it. However I don't think he is the one above, i have just been looking at immigrations on ancestry . co. uk and found a Victor Webb, Consulting engineer, arriving in Southampton from New york age 34 in 1929 with his wife Pretoria age 26, is this him? the plot thickens doesnt it? lol

No this isnt him either, oh well back to the drawing board!