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I have looked at the pics can't honestly say I recognise any one in them. I wonder if any of his descendants are still in the uk. I will put out a search. I will catch up with you all later, must get the evening meal on the go. Ha

Well done everyone, such a lot of info. You really have the "bit between the teeth" I will look at the photo's. I have looked at the info on line about Jimmy Aubrey, and he is described as 5ft 6" and its very funny cos my dad was not very tall infact he was only 5ft 2" !!
Thanks Eileen

I still can't see a birth at the correct time and in the correct place for either Charles or James under the surname Aubrey.

You can see James Aubrey's emigration on Ellis Island. He did indeed go in 1908. He went from London and give a friend's name and address as next of kin. More details on the Ship's manifesto.

Original view of 1911 Ida Aubrey married 28years widow 2 children to marriage and 2 alive still.

So Robert married Ida or Sarah H 1883,but there again it was son Charles Robert Aubrey who signed the census.

Maryb

1891

Name: Robert Aubrey
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah H
Gender: Male
Where born: Lorgiana, United States

Civil parish: Poulton Bare and Torrisholme
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Poulton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Lancaster
Sub-registration district: Heaton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Robert Aubrey 24 Gymnast
Sarah H Aubrey 21 b. Liverpool
Charles R Aubrey 5 b. Liverpool
James Aubrey 2 b. Bolton
George Tuttle 23 Visitor, gynmast b. Liverpool
Henry T Ingorset 20 Visitor, Gymnast b. London

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3463; Folio 93; Page 12; GSU roll: 6098573.


I can't see a marriage between Robert and Sarah nor a death for her - so I wonder if the boys - Charles and James were not registered as Aubrey but using Sarah's maiden surname!

This looks like Robert's later marriage to Ida but she may actually be Ada

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
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AUBREY Robert Birmingham 6d 221
Newberry Ada Florence Birmingham 6d 221
Newbery Ada Florence Birmingham 6d 221

Thanks guys,if you google Jimmy Aubrey and then go to imagess on first page there is a photo of him see if he looks like anybody in your family.
He made over 400 films .

Maryb

There is someone on here with Robert Aubrey not the same one but the owner of the tree has first name of Aubrey,so it does happen

just been reading he was part of fred Carno's troupe and went to New York 1900 Then he settled there permanantly after leaving London 28.8.1908 so does this mean he is out of the running,unless he came back to visit his mum.

My pleasure Mary - while I always like certificates to back things up, in this case it is not possible but my gut feeling is that you are definately onto something here! Very well done - you're like a dog with a bone on this one! Keep up the good work.

No Mary you're not mad I think you are great!!!
I have been on the search for about 40 years on and off, so any info is a bonus, and any thing is possible. Over the years the family has had connections with Manchester and Liverpool. I will take a look at this family now. Well done

Cheers for that rootgatherer,glad I'm not the only one.

Maryb

Mary, I like your line of thinking there! After all it was not uncommon for illegitimate children to be given the father's surname as a middle name - so why not his surname as a christian name??

I know this may not be at all relative but i thought it was interesting.

Jimmy (James)Aubrey english actor born 1887 BOLTON Lancs died California 1983 worked with the likes of Charlie Chaplin and Laurel and hardy.

His parents were Robert Aubrey born USA 1962
1891 Robert Aubrey 1862 Gymnast
Sarah H Liverpool 1870.
Charles R born Liverpool 1886
James born Bolton 1889.
Address Poulton Bare and Torrisholme Lancs
1901 Sulcoates Hull
Robert Aubrey 1862 Music Hall Artist
Ida
Charles
James.

1911 Ida Aubrey widow 1863 Lverpool
Charles Robert Aubrey single son born Liverpool 1883.
Address 4,Wood Street East Chorlton
Chorlton upon Medlock
South Manchester

Can't find James/Jimmy Aubrey.

It was the name Aubrey that caught my eye .

Maryb

Sorry for whaffling on but it just might be a connection ,am I completely mad

I think you are correct. I will look at the Middlesex one that my brother in law unearthed thanks

Thanks all, its very interesting though. I will keep up the search

1911


HOUSEHOLD CHAPLIN EMILY F 1884 27 Lambeth London
HOUSEHOLD CHAPLIN HELEN PRESSWOOD F 1903 8 Lambeth London
HOUSEHOLD CHAPLIN SPENCER M 1909 2 Lambeth London
HOUSEHOLD CHAPLIN AUBREY M 1885 26 Lambeth London


So doesn't look like that Aubrey is Rolfe Victor.

Just for ref.

1901 Census

Name: Aubrey Chaplin
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Louisa G
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, London, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Less
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 237
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa G Chaplin 43 Prop. of Public House
Aubrey Chaplin 16 Barman
Louisa T B Chaplin 13
Harold Chaplin 12
Nellie P Chaplin 8
Florence Smale 20 Neice, Barmaid
Albert Tilbury 36 Servt. Potman

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 406; Folio: 86; Page: 35.



1891


Name: Louisa Chaplin
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Spencer W
Gender: Female
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Less
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Spencer W Chaplin 35 b. Suffolk
Spencer W Chaplin 9
Aubrey Chaplin 6
Louisa B Chaplin 4
Harrold Chaplin 2
Stanley J Chaplin 4 months
Louisa Chaplin 29
Maria Pipe 20 Serv
James Copas 3

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 392; Folio 115; Page 24; GSU roll: 6095502.


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
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Chaplin Spencer William T St. Saviour 1d 323
LUGG Louise Georgina St. Saviour 1d 323

Hi All Just a thought my brother in law has come up with this one. He has found an "Aubrey Chaplin" in Middlesex he is an actor, and is about the same age as Edith, could this be Rolfe Victor Chaplin, and Rolfe Victor is just his stage name. Put your thinking caps on, great stuff isnt it!!!! Just found excerpts from a book written by Charlie Chaplin. He talks about his cousin Aubrey Chaplin who owns a saloon bar in an up market place in london he is abot 5yrs older than Charlie.

Would there be electoral rolls for 1913/14 for that address?

Maryb

I wonder if Chaplin was his stage name? I don't see a Rolfe Victor born 1872 - 1875 but there is this fellow

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1874 (>99%)
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Bull Victor Rolfe Braintree 4a 393



1901 Census - Can't make out his occupation.



Name: Victor Rolfe Bull
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eva Nellie
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Saling, Essex, England

Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North West Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 80
Household Members: Name Age
Victor Rolfe Bull 26
Eva Nellie Bull 25
Harry M Bull 11 months
Mathias Pocock 21 Boarder


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 56; Folio: 39; Page: 11.



No . Not him, he's still in lewisham in 1911.


Just not seeing any other likely births for a Rolfe Victor or Victor Rolfe.

That I dont know, but they toured all over the country so could have been in other places and returned to Lancashire from time to time.