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Can't look this Bap. up as I don't have the sub. Perhaps Tracey can have a look please.

Name: Alfred Charles Quested Birch
Mother: Emma Eliza Birch
Father: Alfred Charles Birch
Birth: date - city, Middlesex

Just looked this up and it seems this one is in an institution or school as there is a Sister and the children are down as scholars.

1881 England Census
about Alfred Charles Birch
Name: Alfred Charles Birch
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Holloway, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Anne Soho
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Princes Row Sqr
Education:

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page

Morning Tracy and all,

I found some of what you posted last night but was sooo tired I got myself in a muddle so gave up.

And Elizabeth the mother also in the same workhouse!

Name: Elisabt Chesney
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: St Johns Horelydenn

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


So there is def evidence Joseph Benjamin Chesney has died and the second wife and the children are in the workhouse.

Tracey x

Elizabeth Pearce's first marriage to Benjamin Russell

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Pearce
Name: Elizabeth Pearce
Spouse Name: Benjamin Russell
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Jul 1821
Parish: St Giles, Camberwell
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark

her father William was a witness

Here's what i think to be Joseph the son marrying....

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Joseph Benjamin Chesney
Name: Joseph Benjamin Chesney
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Spouse Name: Jane Hulkes
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Apr 1843
Parish: St Alphege, Greenwich
County: Middlesex
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Joseph Benjamin Chesney
Spouse Father Name: Jane Hulkes

He cannot be the father to Elizabeth as her baptism record clearly has Joseph & Elizabeth as parents.

I need to try and find a widowed Elizabeth on the 1851 as the children were in the workhouse.

As the 1841 census had joseph with an Ann could this be her burial?

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
about Ann Elizabeth Chesney
Name: Ann Elizabeth Chesney
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 22 Feb 1842
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1793
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Gives him a bit of time to find another wife?

T x

Joseph Chesney/Elizabeth Russell marriage

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Joseph Chesney
Name: Joseph Chesney
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Russell
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Jun 1842
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Robert Chesney
Spouse Father Name: William Pearce

Both are Widowed and this Joseph is a printer.

Incidentally, Joseph Benjamin senior was also a printer... Could our elderly Joseph have married a younger woman and had the 2 children?

Right i'm going over the posts and realised this hasn't been post?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Letitia Chesney
Name: Elizabeth Letitia Chesney
Spouse Name: William Andrew Birch
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1869
Parish: St Andrew, Barnsbury
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Benjamin Joseph Chesney (Carpenter)
Spouse Father Name: John Birch (Shoemaker)

Interestingly Her father's name has been transposed to Benjamin Joseph!
Witnessed by Benjamin Joseph Chesney (singned) & Emma Bagley (signed)

ok

I don't think that marriage can be the right one as the groom needs to be Alfred (or if it is the matching marriage to the children, then they are not the right Birchs).

Anyway, thank you all very, very much for your efforts. You've been great.

I'll sign off now but will be back tomorrow evening (busy during the day)!

Sleep well!

Yes, I'm still here!

Me too RR. Are we calling it a day for now then? come back to it tomorrow?

Is Silverbirch still with us?

there are two possible deaths for George Joshua though, which would rule him out as father to at least one of those below....lol I think I need a sleep :)

Possible?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George Joshua Birch
Name: George Joshua Birch
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Elizabeth Hedges
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Nov 1903
Parish: St Gabriel, Chrisp Street
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Birch
Spouse Father Name: James Thomas Hedges

George is a widower, and his father William is an Oil refiner?

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Birch Albert E Hedges W.Ham 4a 363

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)

BIRCH Violet E Hedges W. Ham 4a 418

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)

Birch Rose W Hedges W.Ham 4a 436

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)

BIRCH Edward A Hedges W Ham 4a 373

This is a very very longshot...but might be worth keeping just in case. can't however find a marriage to go with them

Think I need a glass of red!!! I might just have one from the other night!

A sibling to Elizabeth Letitia getting married?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Joseph Benjamin Chesney
Name: Joseph Benjamin Chesney
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Spouse Name: Jane Hulkes
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Apr 1843
Parish: St Alphege, Greenwich
County: Middlesex
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Joseph Benjamin Chesney
Spouse Father Name: Jane Hulkes

Trace...

Mel, the John Birch looks right as I remember my Dad saying he thought the Birchs went back to Wales!

Tracey, not sure about the Chesneys yet. If the possible marriage that Mel found between Joseph Benjamin and Elizabeth Russell or Pearce 19 Jun 42 is the right one, the death of the older Joseph Benjamin and this marriage you've just found - to Ann Burbia - may be another Chesney family? It's so difficult to be sure when the trail goes further back! Exciting though!