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PLEASE can someone kind with eagle eyes and the experience that I obviously do not have find the following marriage for me:-

JOHN EDMUND BOOTH to ELIZABETH TUNDER
in September, 1851.

You will find them both living in the Broughton area of Manchester. He is incumbent at St. Stephen's, Salford and she is the daughter of Frederick S. Tunder of St. Petersburg, Russia.

This marriage is recorded in the Admissions Register of Manchester Grammar School where JEB was a Scholar, as was his father Ebenezer Booth before him.

I guess that the marriage should be recorded in the general area that they are both living in??

Poor old Elizabeth died and when JEB went on to marry Edith Elizabeth Law in 1862 [who is my relation], he is stated as a Widow on the Marriage Certificate.

I also cannot find the death of Elizabeth Booth, nee Tunder. This must have occurred between September 1851 and the next census entry for him in 1861 where he is stated as a Widower.

I have been at this search for a long time and now have to turn to the experts, please!

Many thanks.

Going nuts too! Any chance she maybe married before?
Jan

I see Elizabeth was born 1825 in London. As you say, if they married it was 1851-1861. Not much chance for another marriage really!
jan

Oooh dear, I can see that this is going to be a tricky one.

With a surname like TUNDER, you would think that it might narrow it down a bit - but no!

And to then become Elizabeth Booth is annoyingly 'common'. It's really the marriage I need first.

I expect the poor dear died in childbirth . . .

Anyone else out there? I may not get back to this tonight as need a relatively early night.

Interesting that Elizabeth's birth age in 1851 is 26 (est born 1825) as her 'parents' married in 1828

Frederick Samuel Tunder 3 Jan 1828 Mary Ann Lewis St George the Martyr, Queen Square

(From the London Metropolitan Archives at Ancestry)

Her relationship to them in the 1851 isn't given as they were all down as visitors though it does say that she was unmarried on the image.

Julie

Found this record on family search.
Husband
JOHN EDMUND BOOTH Pedigree

Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 20 SEP 1851 British Chaplaincy, Saint Petersburg, Russia, Ussr
Death:
Burial:


Wife
ELIZABETH TUNDER Pedigree

Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 20 SEP 1851 British Chaplaincy, Saint Petersburg, Russia, Ussr
Death:
Burial:

Sharon

Nice one Sharon!

She also wasn't born a Tunder:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Frederick Samuel Tunder
Name: Frederick Samuel Tunder
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Lewis
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Jan 1828
Parish: St George the Martyr, Queen Square
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden

Rose

Nicola,

I can not see JEB in 1851. Found Elizabeth.

I then found a Rev. John Edmund Booth in 1861 and then again in 1871 with Edith Elizabeth, so must be same guy.

I can not find him in 1841 or in 1851.

Sharon

Sharon, you are a genius! BIG thank you.

I am absolutely amazed that this couple sailed all the way to Russia [where her papa was born] for their marriage. Especially since in the March census of their marriage year, they are still very much in the UK. What a wonderful story lies behind this one - we shall never know.

Rose, why do you not think she was born a Tunder?

Now, if only I could find her death . . .

Just about to put a second post on re census entries for him.

Here he is in 1841, at BRASENOSE College [ not Brazen Nose!!!]:
Name: John Edmund Booth
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Brazen Nose College
Hundred: Oxford
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Oxford


And here he is in 1851:
1851 Census: taken on Sunday, 30th March 1851
Source: official Census records.
Living at: Broughton Lane, Broughton, Salford, Lancs.
Ann McClure, Head, Widow, 72, Annuitant, born ?Halton?,
Lancashire.
Mary McClure, Daughter, Unmarried, 36, born Leigh, Lancs.
Hannah McClure, Daughter, Unmarried, 34, born Leigh, Lancs.
Eliza McClure, Daughter, Unmarried, 27, born Leigh, Lancs.
Maria McClure, Daughter, Unmarried, 19, born Leigh, Lancs.
Revd. J.E. Booth, Lodger, Unmarried, 30, Incumbent St. Stephens, born Leigh, Lancs.
John Adderley, Lodger, Unmarried, 21, Warehouseman, born
N.K. [Not Known].
[Assistance from eagle-eyed researcher on Genes Reunited found this – I had to ask for help because the transcriber from the original records had misread his first initial to be an ‘I’, and I was getting nowhere.]

So, as you can see, GR is always at my rescue!

Thanks again to one and all.

Now, can we just find Elizabeth Booth's death and possibly a baby???

Just found a wonderful clear entry for him applying for a Passport on 13th August, 1851!

Have just described the above story to my OM and he has VERY sensibly pointed out that it is much more probable that JEB didn't just go out to St. Petersburg to get married, but probably to take up a new post there with the British Chaplaincy.

So googled same and discovered that the architect for the church there was from Lancashire!! So it's all beginning to fit together and I'm in touch with the chaplain there via email.

However, still puzzled about his wife's death. Can't find it on LDS out in Russia. Can anybody help me please?

Nicola,

Going by the 1861 census, Elizabeth looks to have been born c1825 and this is 3 years before the marriage.

Rose

IGI does not do a lot of coverage of deaths so that may be why you can't spot it.

At least if the husband was a priest/vicar/chaplain it's unlikely that he lied about her dying and committed bigamy! Just a bit irritating that you don't know WHEN she died.

Jill

Hi Nicola

This is exciting as I've just found some of my own ancestors on this site as well as yours!

www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Baptisms: 21 Nov 1852 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire, England
Charles Frederick Booth - Son of John E. Booth & Elizabeth (formerly Tunder)?
Born: 28 Aug 1852
Abode: Broughton Manchester
Occupation: Clerk
Notes: (m. at Embassy ch. St.Petersburg 1851)
Baptised by: J Booth
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1865, Page 81, Entry 641
Source: LDS Film 1408728

Click to search on the whole county and just put Booth in the first surname field. Add years 1850 -1860 or whenever. Had to post as soon as I found it so I'll leave the fun of searching further to you!

Julie

Come back Nicola!
I've found Elizabeth's death - I think it's pretty conclusive. Are you still searching yourself or do you want me to post what I've found?
Julie

OK Found 2 births. Charles Frederick as posted above and this one:

Baptisms: 21 May 1854 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire, England
Alice Mary Booth - Daughter of John Ed. Booth & Elizabeth (formerly Tunder)?
Born: 28 Feb 1854
Abode: Broughton
Occupation: Clerk
Notes: (m. at Embassy Chap. Petersburg 1851)
Baptised by: J Booth
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1865, Page 92, Entry 730
Source: LDS Film 1408728



Elizabeth's burial:

Burial: 3 Nov 1855 Priory Church of St Mary and St Michael, Cartmel, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Booth -
Age: 30
Abode: Yewbarrow Lodge, Grange
Buried by: J Young
Register: Burials 1853 - 1869 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 34, Entry 272
Source: LDS Film 1040300

More to follow............

The reason it's pretty conclusive is this 1861 census entry:

Name: Charles F Booth
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: East Broughton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: Cartmel
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederic S Gunder 59
Mary Ann Gunder 55
Charles F Booth 8
Mary Murndall 54
Eliza Ann Brasington 20
Amelia Buroth 28
Charlotta Cator 26
Ann Bare 27
Sarah Woodhouse 19
John Turner 19
Susannah England 36


Their address is Yewbarrow - same as Elizabeth on her burial record.

No sign of Alice Mary.

Julie

Given Elizabeth's age as 26 on the 1851 and 30 when she died she would have been born outside the marriage as noted earlier so she may be registered as Lewis.

Hope you can follow Charles Frederick forward!

Julie