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FannyByGaslight
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24 Jan 2010 15:31 |
My gut feeling is that I would send for this,as I do think it is the same child as on 1841 census with Elsworths.,and if you can find his mother you may well tie her in with the Montagu/e,s.
Births Mar 1841 Barnet Henry Barnett Montague Greenwich 5 235
He may well have been born to a male Montagu/e which is why he has it as a middle name and dropped the Barnet/t later in life if his natural father paid for him to go to school in Jersey and they wanted to keep up appearences of his respectability. Where he got Grahame from,who knows,maybe it was something to do with his mother or he just liked it.
So his natural father may well be a Charles Montagu /e as per his marriage cert.
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Mary
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25 Jan 2010 18:26 |
I have been looking at original 1841 census and i think head of the house was George Todd born @ 1786 in Scotland married to maria born Woowich kent. If you look at side of every new address it has Do but not at side od mary elsworth's name.
I can't make out George's occupation but in 1851 he is still at 7,Warwick St and he is Pensioner Petty Offficer born Fife Scotland. 1861 still at warwick st and says born Brighton and he is Pensioner Inspector.
Maryb
Found these maybe no connection but. 1861 Charles Montagu born 1820 Scotland lodging in london occuption I think is something to do with east india service. 1871 in Brixten london Charles Montague occupier born 1815 Scotland Pensioner Govt Official. Bit of a coicidence given Charles was father on marriage certificate and George Todd who Henry was with was also born Scotland.
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GillianMac
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26 Jan 2010 14:23 |
I am inclined to think that the child with the Elsworths is the same Henry who is a convict in Pentonville Prison in 1881 -the date and place of birth fit better. And I also feel the child in school in Jersey is most likely to be the Henry born 1839 Beccles to Edward Proudfoot Montague and his wife Eleanor.He has a brother Edward who is also in boarding school (Lewes)
Has anybody considered this one for 1851? Marylebone Henry Graham Montague 50 Professor of ? and Physiology and Public Warden preserving ?? (illegible to me but someone else may do better) Lily 29 wife born BATH Blanche Anne C 8 b Cripplegate Ada Rosina 7 b St Pancras Henry G (illegible) 5 b St Pancras Eugene Victor 3 b Marylebone Herbert Maximillian 10 mths b St James
I know the year of birth is out but there are connections with Lilys place of birth and Henry Sr occupation sounds similar to Henry Jrs
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GillianMac
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26 Jan 2010 15:14 |
And in 1868 Sep Q in St James Middlesex Lily Amelia C Montague married (presumably after Henry Graham Montague's death but I can find that with certainty) one Charles Alfred Marlow
In 1871 Charles A Marlow 41 Tailor b Ludgershall Staffs Lily A 46 wife Tailoress b Bath William H Marlow 10 b Stoke on Trent Robert G Montague 8 stepson b High St Bloomsbury(this should I think be Albert William George who is with them 1881)
So that Henry had a stepfather Charles
Other than finding that Herbert Maximillian died in 1852 and Blanche Annabelle (as she should be in 1851) married 1869 Sep Q Chelsea I cant find the rest of the family so they are either another mystery or one and the same mystery! Ada Rosina married George West brooke in 1862 Jun Q St Giles and then married again in 1892 William Harper
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GillianMac
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27 Jan 2010 14:29 |
The Henry Graham Montague Sr above (b 1801 Marylebone) appears to have been sentenced to 7 years transportation for fraud on 17/9/1852 so maybe the "Professor" bit was all a lie! His wife appears to have born Lily Amelia Cunningham Reece acccording to the IGI and her father Robert Reece but I can find anything further on her or Robert I do feel that this family has at least a connection and it may be that there was an earlier marriage or union which produced the 1839 Henry -that is if he is telling the truth about his age!
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GillianMac
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28 Jan 2010 14:12 |
No comments from anyone? If only to shoot me down in flames?
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FannyByGaslight
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28 Jan 2010 21:31 |
I am not in a position to shoot anyone down in flames Gillian as I seem to have mislaid my flamethrower......:)
But you may very well be right as you put a very persuasive case.
I am not going to double check though and I will trust you on it. viv
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GillianMac
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29 Jan 2010 11:35 |
Well, Fanny, you are very trusting but thanks for at least reading it! Another bit to toss in the pot Robert Reece seems to have been a major slave owner in Barbados and there are several Reece's born in Bath who may be connected Louisa b 1840 W Indies living Bath 1891 John Robert b Bath 1821 d Bath 1873 Hester b Reece b 1800 Bath living 1861 Monmouthshire
In 1841 Henry Montague and Lily seeem to be together aged 40 and 20 respectively in St Botolphs London -he is a Butler!!
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Margaret
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30 Jan 2010 14:33 |
I would like to thank you all for your interest and time taken in pursuing my elusive Henry. Sorry not to have replied before but have a health problem at the moment.
Best Wishes Margaret
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GillianMac
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1 Feb 2010 13:40 |
Hope you will soon be recovered , Margaret Meanwhile -there is another possibility which might be intriguing If you "Google" Bridge in Kent there is a bit on the village which mentions Bridge Hill House being once the home of the grandson of the French philosopher MONTESQUIEU. His full name sems to be Charles-Louis de Secondat, Baron de la Brede et de Montesquieu born 1685 died 1755 His grandson could conceivably (sorry about the pun) be the father of HGM or more likely HGM read about him and decided to adopt his name or the closest he could get to it. Doesnt help with HGMs real name of course Think I will have to give up on this now
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Margaret
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7 Feb 2010 14:29 |
Have just read your latest reply and yes I have looked at Bridge and all it has to offer, along with others who are searching. Many many thanksfor all of your findings. It has just sunk in that on the 1911 census he states that place of birth is unknown. He certainly kept his past close to his chest. The records in Canterbury have been searched without success by a researcher. Apologies for not responding before but I am unable to use my L arm at the moment. Asking on this site was just a possiblity that new light could be shown on the subject. Once again many thanks and wish you all the best for 2010 Margaret
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