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1881 census - household transcription
Person: CURRELL, Sarah
Address: 8, Union Street, Luton
EWIN, Alfred Head Married M 28 1853 Solicitor
Chester
Cheshire VIEW
EWIN, Jessie Wife Married F 29 1852 Solicitor Wife
London
Middlesex VIEW
EWIN, Phyllis Maria Daughter Single F 0 1881
Luton
Bedfordshire VIEW
EWIN, Isaac England Father Married M 59 1822 Hosier
Gedney
Lincolnshire VIEW
EWIN, Frances Mother Married F 52 1829 Hosier Wife
Chester
Cheshire VIEW
CURRELL, Sarah Servant Single F 24 1857 Domestic Cook
Hatfield
Hertfordshire VIEW
FROST, Alice Servant Single F 16 1865 Domestic Housemaid
Newport Pagnell
Buckinghamshire

Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)

Currell Sarah Hatfield 3a 635
WALBY John Hatfield 3a 635

1911 census - household transcription
Person: WARBY, Maude
Address: Fore Street Hatfield Hertfordshire
HORNE, Francis Head Married M 64 1847 Butcher St Pancras London VIEW
BULT, Kate Servant Single F 23 1888 Book Keeper Brixton Surrey VIEW
WARBY, Maude Servant Single F 25 1886 Domestic Servant Hatfield Herts VIEW
DAY, Frank Servant Single M 19 1892 Stockman Sandford St Martin Oxon


Maude is a witness at the marriage and fits in with Warby/Currell relationship

her sister Alice

1911 census - household transcription
Person: WARBY, Alice
Address: Harpsfield Hall Hatfield
SINCLAIR, John Head Single M 62 1849 Farmer Stirlingshire Campsie Resident VIEW
SINCLAIR, Annie Sister Single F 58 1853 Stirlingshire Lorrance of Campsie Resident VIEW
SMITH, Margaret Alice Niece Single F 35 1876 Hertfordshire St Albans VIEW
SMITH, Annie Elizabeth Visitor Single F 37 1874 Hertfordshire St Albans VIEW
SMITH, Jessie Riddel Visitor Single F 40 1871 Derry London Derry Visitor VIEW
PARROTT, Rose Servant Single F 22 1889 Hertfordshire Hatfield VIEW
WARBY, Alice Servant Single F 22 1889 Hertfordshire Hatfield

second witness Charles also a gardener and fits with 1901

1911 census - household transcription
Person: WARBY, Charles
Address: Park Hall Garden Whittington Shropshire

BOWLES, Walter Head Single M 28 1883 Domestic Gardener Charminster Dorset VIEW
DIRVER, John Boarder Single M 25 1886 Domestic Gardener West Mathing Tacut VIEW
CLIFFORD, Howard Boarder Single M 24 1887 Domestic Gardener Bourton on the Water Glos VIEW
GOUGH, John Boarder Single M 23 1888 Domestic Gardener Welshpool Montgomery VIEW
WARBY, Charles Boarder Single M 19 1892 Domestic Gardener Hatfield Herts VIEW
EDWARDS, James Boarder Single M 20 1891 Domestic Gardener Gobower Salop VIEW
WOODHAIL, Sidney Boarder Single M 19 1892 Domestic Gardener Malpas Cheshire

1901 census - household transcription
Person: PAYNE, Jabez
Address: New Marford, Wheathampstead, Marford
PAYNE, Jabez Head Married M 40 1861 Gardener
Arlesley
Bedfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Emily Wife Married F 40 1861
Henlow
Bedfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Frank Son Single M 18 1883 Blacksmith
Clifton
Bedfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Frederick Son Single M 16 1885 House Boy
Clifton
Bedfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Arthur Son Single M 14 1887 Egg Packer
Clifton
Bedfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Alfred Son Single M 12 1889 Newspaper Boy
Wheathampstead
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Louisa Daughter Single F 10 1891
Wheathampstead
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Ruth Daughter Single F 8 1893
Wheathampstead
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Annie Daughter Single F 6 1895
Wheathampstead
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Charles Son Single M 4 1897
Wheathampstead
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Ellen Daughter Single F 3 1898
Wheathampstead
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Emily Daughter Single F 1 1900
Wheathampstead
Hertfordshire

no john

1881 census - household transcription
Person: PAYNE, Jabez
Address: Henlow Station Rd, Henlow
PAYNE, William Head Married M 40 1841 Gardener
Henlow
Bedfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Hannah Wife Married F 39 1842 Straw Plaiter
Henlow
Bedfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Jabez Nephew Single M 20 1861 Cowman (Ag Lab)
Arlsey
Bedfordshire

trying to find john in 1901

interesting as where his father comes from

1901 census - household transcription
Person: PAYNE, John
Address: High Street, Sandy
SPRING, John Head Married M 67 1834 Agricultural Labourer & Jobbing Gardener
Sandy
Bedfordshire VIEW
SPRING, Fanny Wife Married F 63 1838
Tempsford
Bedfordshire VIEW
CHAPMAN, Alfred Boarder Single M 24 1877 Blacksmith
West Dereham
Norfolk VIEW
PAYNE, John Boarder Single M 19 1882 Railway Porter
Clifton
Bedfordshire

but figure

1891 census - household transcription
Person: PAYNE, John
Address: Dagnal Street, St Albans


PAYNE, John Head Married M 36 1855 Brushmaker
Brentley
Essex VIEW
PAYNE, Rose Wife Married F 34 1857
St Albans
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Lydia Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
St Albans
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Effie Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
St Albans
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, John Son M 9 1882 Scholar
St Albans
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Bobie Son M 5 1886 Scholar
St Albans
Hertfordshire VIEW
PAYNE, Silas Son M 4 1887
St Albans
Hertfordshire VIEW
WARBY, Charles Widower M 71 1820
St Albans
Hertfordshire VIEW

Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)

PAYNE John St Albans 3a 589

WARBY Rose St Albans 3a 589

possibly son of jabez

Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919 - soldier details

Name: Alfred PAYNE Memorial Scroll


Regiment, Corps etc.: Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex Regiment)

Battalion etc.: 2nd Battalion.

4.8.14 Malta. Sept. 1914 to England and Hursley Park in 23rd Bde. 8th Div. 7.11.14 landed at Havre. 11.11.18 23rd Bde. 8th Div. Belgium; Douvrain. N.W. of Mons.


Last name: Payne

First name(s): Alfred

Initials: A

Birthplace: Wheathampstead, Herts

Enlisted: Mill Hill, Middlesex

Residence:

Rank: L/CPL

Number: L/12749

Date died: 24 April 1918

How died: Killed in action

Theatre of war: France & Flanders

The record at CWGC (free, and often more accurate than what Ancestry does with them) specifies:

Name: PAYNE
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Middlesex Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 29
Date of Death: 24/04/1918
Service No: L/12749
>> Additional information: Son of Jabez and Emily Payne, of 9, Kimberley Rd., Pleetville, St. Albans.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. D. 12.
Cemetery: CRUCIFIX CORNER CEMETERY, VILLERS-BRETONNEUX

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=253227

Sorry i've not been here, work tends to take over my life sometimes!!

I have finally (after waiting 2 weeks) got my grandparents marriage cert.

20th Sept 1943
Ernest Pyne, 22, Bach, L.A.C RAF, No3 signals Depot RAF ME, Frederick Pyne, Postman
Ivy Freda Grace Payne, 23, Spin, Private ATS, Kasr-EL-Nil Barracks, Cairo, John Payne, Platelayer.

Tracey x
Both signed it.

Hi Tracey,

I am sure it is wonderfull to have it but it doesn't really help any !

I have been looking but have not found anything more than others have found - sorry.

I will keep at it!

Dea x

Hahaha, Yeah Dea, i figured i'd post it anyhow!

I did say i didn't think it was gonna help any!

Tracey x

Was Ernest British?

Dea x

I have a very nice person calling me back about 12 Spencer Road, St Pancras (my Grandmother's birth address) Hopefully there maybe other people at the address which might give me some clues.!


Tracey x

Yeah ernest was British, born Catford.


T x

"Fingers crossed then" !!!

Dea x

Well i have the results lol..

2 families at that address in 1920.

Ethel & John Payne and....

Elizabeth & George Bacon & George William Bacon.

No help there then!


Tracey x