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1881 census - household transcription
Person: MARTIN, Harriett
Address: 27, Albert Street, Tunbridge

MARTIN, Harriett Head Married F 51 1830 House Keeper Lodging Ho Keeper
Sutton
Essex VIEW
HAMMOND, Horace Boarder Widower M 65 1816 Builder
Wadhurst
Sussex VIEW
MOREN, Martin Lodger Single M 50 1831 Traveller
Roscommon
Ireland VIEW
ADAMS, Albert Lodger Single M 21 1860 Solicitors Clerk
Bristol
Somerset

1871 census - household transcription
Person: MARTIN, Harriett
Address: North Street, Tunbridge, Tunbridge Wells
MARTIN, Harriett Head F 42 1829 Essex

Hi Ladykira Both 1851 and 61 are correct, 51 with her older brother William and his family, they were both wittnesses at thier sister Marys wedding, 1861 Harriet with sister Mary and her family. Chrys.

hi Ladykira, Martin was her brother, He moved to Tunbridge Wells between the 1891 and 1903 censuses, and was according to the death cert present at her death. Im hoping to find a marriage for Harriet to a Martin although Im not going to hold my breath, and also I still have the problem of the son, If he was alive in 1871 he would have only been 10 and I would have expected him to be with Harriet. something tells me Im going to have to start thinking of adoption perhaps!. None of Harriets family have him with them but it may be worth trying to search for him alone. clutching at straws again, Chrys.

1861 census - household transcription
Person: BENNETT, Harriet
Address: 22, Public House Roe Buck, North Street, Thurlaston

LUTT, Edward Head Married M 39 1822 Grocer And Publican
...
Hampshire VIEW
LUTT, Mary Ann Wife Married F 40 1821
Latton
Essex VIEW
LUTT, Mary E Daughter F 9 1852
Thurlaston
Leicestershire VIEW
LUTT, Harriet Daughter F 7 1854
Thurlaston
Leicestershire VIEW
LUTT, Edward Y Son M 4 1857
Thurlaston
Leicestershire VIEW
LUTT, Charles P W Son M 2 1859
Thurlaston
Leicestershire VIEW
BENNETT, Harriet Sister In Law Married F 31 1830 Formerly Servant
Latton
Essex VIEW
BENNETT, Charles W Nephew M 0 (3M) 1861
Thurlaston
Leicestershire


Agai memory tells me their was a mistranscrption tutt=lutt

1851 census - household transcription
Person: COLLER, Harriet
Address: Thurlaston, Thurlaston
COLLER, William Head Married M 34 1817 Gardener
Harlow
Essex VIEW
COLLER, Fanny Wife Married F 37 1814 Gardeners Wife
Upton Bishop
Herefordshire VIEW
COLLER, Charles William Son M 8 1843 Scholar
Elsenham
Essex VIEW
COLLER, Arthur Baldwin Son M 7 1844 Scholar
The Knoll Extra Pan
Leicestershire VIEW
COLLER, Mary Ann Daughter F 4 1847 Scholar
Thurlaston
Leicestershire VIEW
COLLER, Harriet Sister Unmarried F 21 1830 Laundress
Latton
Essex

1861 census - household transcription
Person: COLLAR, Martin I
Address: 6, Hamilton Terrace, St Mary


COLLAR, Martin I Head Married M 23 1838 Gardener
Latton
Essex VIEW
COLLAR, Sophia Wife Married F 23 1838 Wife Of Gardener
Westcombe
Wiltshire VIEW
COLLAR, Matilda S Daughter Unmarried F 0 (10M) 1861
Lambourne
Berkshire

If I remember rightly Martin was her brother

Hi Anita Yes I have his birth cert, but unable to be sure when he died, not knowing where his mum was between 1861 and 1871, I know her sisters husband came from Kent so maybe they sent them to his family to help her. would it have been a thing she would have felt ashamed of,? seperating from husband I mean, My g grandfather was imformant on her death cert so either he didnt know any thing or he was covering up. I dont think Im going to find a marriage for her to a Martin, she either used her brothers christian name or lived with a Martin who died.

hi Ladykira, I know, It was so stupid I just wasnt thinking, Its this second marriage that Iv found that is bugging me. Im sure Martin/Bennett is the same Harriet but how do I go about finding if they divorced, Oh I wish I was clever like so many of the kind people on here are, I purposly left that thread in case I needed any more help, I could kick myself.

nooooooooooooooooooo that was hours of work

Hi freewheel Im sorry but im no typist, I tried to add to original thread but not really knowing what i was doing I thought it would nudge to the top of page, It didnt so like a plum I hit delete meaning to delete what i had just typed and lost evertthing.

Hi all,  I know im thick but I had a  big thread on here but somehow I have deleted it Doh!.  so I will give you what I know, please bear with me as it goes on a bit. Harriet Collar born 1830 Latton Essex, have her on 1841 and 1851 censuses, in 1859 she marries a Charles William Bennett, cert details ( St leonards church Shoredidtch, Charles William Bennett age 24, bachelor, occupation Grocer,address 7 Acton Place, father Charles William Bennett occupation Coach Proprietor) ( Harriet Collar age 29 spinster occupation Servant same address, Father John Collar occupation Land Steward)  all as it should be.  1861 census Harriet is in Leicestershire at her sisters home with a son of 3mths, same name as his father, but dads not there.  they all then vanish completly. 1871 a Harriet Martin starts to appear on the censuses in Tunbridge Wells kent, she is born 1830, latton essex, and is a widow, no children with her, she appears in 1881,1891 census but in 1893  turns up buried in Tunbridge Wells in a plot bought by my great grandfather Martin Collar her brother. Harriet Martin is not on any later censuses, she is buried as Harriet Bennet widow of Charles William Bennett Master Grocer of Tunbridge Wells.   I have recently found another marriage these are the details (parish church of St Botolph Aldersgate London,23 April 1863, Charles William Bennett bachelor age 27 occupation Dealer, address 8 Montague Place, father Charles William Bennett occupation Coach Proprietor.)( Mary Linford spinster age 25 address Hertford, father John Linford occupation publican) my guess is that they either divorced or maybe seperated and Charles married again bigimously, but what I dont understand is why would Harriett use the name Martin, I have searched for a marriage between either a Harriet Bennett or Collar to a Martin without any luck, niether can I account for the child Charles William born Leicestershire 1861, unable to find a death and no luck on later censuses. does anyone know if I there are records of divorces in around the 1860s ? I would love to put this one to bed as its been driving me nuts for ages, regards Chrys.