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Hi Cherilyn
Thank you so much for the information, gives me heaps to work on, very interesting about the drowning of father and son. Is there a website where you can search the papers you have listed on your reply.
Thanks again
Anastasia
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Hi Anastasia
The Argus, Monday 14 June 1886
WRAGG—CAMERON.—On the 3rd inst., at the residence of the bride's mother, by the Rev. D. S. McEachern, Arthur, third son of Thomas Wragg, of Hotham, and Cam, Tasmania, to Johanna, daughter of the late Angus Cameron, of Broadford, Isle of Skye. Tasmanian papers please copy.
Vic reg no is 2983.Shows his birthplace as Tasmania.
Chn of Arthur & Johanna:
Minna Ethel b. 1888 Hotham East, d. 1888 aged 8 mos
Chas Arthur b. 1889 Hotham East, d. ?
Wilfred Gordon b. 1891 Hotham East (reg 13593), m. Frances NORGROVE 1916, d. 1935 aged 43 Middle Park (reg 3984)
George Clarence b. 1892 Hotham East, m. Adeline Pearl CLARK 1910, d. 1955 aged 63
Edward Victor b. 1901 Brunswick, d. 1984 Prahran aged 83
Arthur died young:
The Argus, Saturday 10 April 1909
WRAGG. -On the 8th April, Arthur Harnett, the beloved husband of Johanna Wragg of 10 Evans-street, E. Brunswick, and father of Charles, Wilfred, George, and Edward, aged 48 years.
[Funeral at Melbourne General Cemetery 10th April 1909.]
Surname: WRAGG
Given Names: Arth Harnett
Event: D
Father: Wragg Thos
Mother: Emily Mary HARNETT
Age: 48
Death Place: E Melb
Year: 1909
Reg. Number: 5769
Here's irony for you - father and son both met a similar fate!
The Argus, Monday 12 April 1909
FOUND DROWNED.
On Saturday, April 3, Arthur Harnett Wragg, engraver, 48 years of age, was missed from his home at Evans-street, Brunswick. His body was found in the sea, at Albert-park on Thursday. At the inquest on Saturday, evidence was given by the son of the deceased that his father had received an injury to the head from a bicycle accident. He had suffered from headaches since. There was nothing in his manner to indicate that he contemplated suicide. The autopsy by Dr. Brett disclosed a fracture of the right temple, and brain irritation at the site of the injury .A verdict of found drowned was returned.
The Argus, Thursday 27 June 1901
WRAGG.-On the 16th June, accidentally drowned at River Cam, Tasmania, Thomas D. Wragg, many years resident of North Melbourne, and beloved father of Arthur H. Wragg, wood engraver, of this city, aged 79 years.
Thos Dodd Wragg was a postmaster in Tasmania but had been a wood engraver in London, as was his brother. His father (who shared his name) was a solicitor and his mother a teacher and governess. Much about this family online. Thos’ estate was 476 pounds, went to his wife, Emily in August 1901
The Argus, Monday 24 July 1933
WRAGG.-On the 22nd July, 1933, at her residence, 26 Graham street, Pascoevale South, Johanna Cameron, relict of the late Arthur Wragg. loving mother of Charles, Wilfred, George, and Edward. -Peace, perfect peace. (Private interment.)
Surname: WRAGG
Given Names: Johanna
Father: Cameron Angus
Mother: Johanna MCINNES
Death Place: PASCOE VE
Age: 70
Year: 1933
Reg Number: 5693
Event: D
Had sisters Mary & Flora.
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Wilfred's marriage notice:
The Argus, Saturday 26 August 1916
WRAGG-NORGROVE.-On the 14th June, 1916, at Hawthorn Presbyterian Church, by the Rev. W. G. Maconechie, M.A., Wilfrid Gordon, second son of the late Arthur Hartnet Wragg and Mrs. J. Wragg, Melbourne, to Frances Maisie, eldest daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. J. T. Norgrove, Melbourne.
Frances Maisey/Maisie was born in 1889 in Port Melbourne to John Thos NORGROVE and Elizabeth POWNE (reg 15317). Her death in 1958 is registered as both NORGROVE and WRAGG. Seems possible she reverted to her maiden name after the loss of her husband quite young. her parents also died young (her mum was 45 and her dad was 50). JT & Elizabeth married in Vic in 1888 (reg 5696); JT was from Birmingham and Elizabeth born in Penzance Cornwall to Wm & Sophia. (She arrived in Vic aged 3 in 1870 aboard 'Yorkshire'.)
This mentions Glynn:
The Argus, Saturday 3 November 1945 >
NORGROVE-WRAGG. - VX25769. Glynn. 17th Anti-Tank Bty., Rabaul, missing, July, 3942 now officially presumed dead, dear youngest son of late Wilfrid G. and of Mrs. F. M. Norgrove. Majore-street, Hawthorn; affectionate brother of Wilf, aged 19 years.
NORGROVE.-VX25769, Glynn, 17th Anti Tank Bty., Rabaul, presumed died while P.O.W., July 1, 1942, beloved nephew of Mrs. E. A. McLellan* and Mrs. G. S. Upstill**.
*Ethel Alberta Norgrove, wife of William Jas McLellan (m. 1922 NSW)
**Leslie Muriel Norgrove, wife of Garrett Stuart Upstill.
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Hi Paul
Can't tell you more than you already know...
CARR LESLIE ALEXANDER : Service Number - NX204404 : Date of birth - 24 Aug 1926 : Place of birth - KOGARAH NSW : Place of enlistment - PADDINGTON NSW : Next of Kin - CARR GLADYS
Emigration with chn's full names and dates of birth is available on RecordSearch site but I suspect you already have this.
Unnamed stillborn 1964 in Kiama, NSW.
Sorry
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UPDATE
On a whim decided to check Ryerson Index one more time - I think this might be your aunt
CARR Bessy Emma Death notice 18JAN2001 Death at Blue Mountains Hospital Sydney Morning Herald 20JAN2001
Check out www.ryersonindex.org to find a death notice. [see 'requesting a lookup' from the homepage].
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Emma BRACEY (AFN: 23WL-H1B) Pedigree
Sex: F Family
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Event(s)
Birth: 1867
, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Parents
Father: Charles BRACEY (AFN: 23WJ-XRT) Family
Mother: Elizabeth POPHAM (AFN: 23WL-GSW)
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles BRACEY Head M Male 50 Bristol, Gloucester, England Gas Works Foreman
Elizabeth BRACEY Wife M Female 49 Appledore, Devon, England
Charles BRACEY Son U Male 25 Newport Gas Fitter
Fred BRACEY Son U Male 20 Newport Gas Fitter
Clara BRACEY Daur Female 19 Newport Pin or Pen Maker
Alice Maud BRACEY Daur Female 12 Newport Pin or Pen Maker
Henrietta BRACEY Daur Female 16 Greets Green, Stafford, England Button Worker
Emma BRACEY Daur Female 13 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Elizabeth BRACEY Daur Female 9 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
George BRACEY Son Male 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
William BRACEY Son Male 5 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
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Source Information:
Dwelling 56 Lord Street
Census Place Aston, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341724
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3030 / 86
Page Number 25
May married George Stephen MACLEAN in 1913 (reg 10419).
Ettie married George Edwin STEVENSON in 1919 in Vic (reg 8969).
Still no death found for Jno.
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How interesting the Emma fits for the marriage, but very misterious,
as far as the death for John William Croft goes.
I will take a look at the Roy Croft you mention
Thank you very much........................LOIS
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Hi Wizzardess
From www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
14028/1871 CROFT JOHN W JAMES T ANNIE NEWCASTLE
His parents were James Thomas CROFT and Annie BASSETT, who married in 1868 in Newcastle NSW (reg 2875). He was one of 10 children.
Served in WA senate 1903-1910.
From http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home:
The Brisbane Courier, Wednesday 8 July 1891
MARRIAGES.
CROFT-BRACEY.-On the 22nd June, at Kangaroo Point, by the Rev. E. Bishop, John William, second son of Alderman James T. Croft, of Tlghe's Hill, near Newcastle, New South Wales, to Emma, fourth daughter of the late Charles Bracey, of Birmingham, England.
They had a daughter named May Clara in 1891 in Qld (reg 48880). There was a son named Roy CROFT born in Perth, WA in 1903 to John William CROFT and Emma BRACEY (reg 4147).
Several sources state he died in 1913 but I cannot find it in WA. Nor a death or remarriage for Emma, or marriage or death for Roy in WA.
There is a NSW marriage for a Roy CROFT in 1929 to Mary E PALMER, but could be coincidence.
The Sydney Morning Herald, Saturday 20 February 1904
Senator Croft, of Western Australia, who is a native of Newcastle, delivered an open-air address to-night from the balcony of the Royal Exchange Hotel. The Mayor (Alderman Gilbert) presided. Senator Croft spoke at length in defence of the legislation promulgated by the Labour party, and in conclusion, said that the party intended to get a Federal Arbitration Bill through during the coming session which would include all Government employees.
The Advertiser (Adelaide), Thursday 2 November 1905
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN
ELECTIONS.
SENATOR CROFT REPLIES TO SIR
JOHN FORREST.
Melbourne, November 1.
Senator Croft, who for five years was organiser for the Western Australian Labor Party, to-day replied to Sir John Forrest's observations regarding the result of the Western Australian State elections.
"The recent Labor Government of Western Australia," said Senator Croft, "courted defeat by their namby-pamby methods of administration and their peculiar ideas as to policy..."
The Sydney Morning Herald, Tuesday 26 May 1908
SENATOR CROFT.
RECEIVING ORDER ISSUED.
J . PERTH (W.A.). Monday.
A receiving order was to-day issued against Senator J. W. Croft by the Registrar in Bankruptcy. The petitioning creditor was E. T. A, Bevan, and the act of bankruptcy was alleged failure to comply with the requirements of the bankruptcy notice issued in respect of a Judgement for £41 3s, obtained in the Supreme Court by the petitioning creditor against the debtor. The petition was served In Melbourne on May 6th. The debtor was not represented. '
[This order was anulled in June]
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Hi Cherilyn
WA INFO
( this message is playing up and I can't go down any further
than I have done hope it makes sense and I will sign off up here, thanks LOIS from NSW)
Any help would be much appreciated
for JOHN WILLIAM CROFT born in NSW 1871 and died in WA IN 1913?.
looking for any Marriage, death and childrens birth if possible
All I know about his death is on some WA PARLEMENT RECORDS
stating about 1913 - I found a photo of him on the archives.
i also found him on 1903 on electral roll Perth- as Secretary of Coastal trades and labour council
1903 electied to Senate and in 1910 on the electrol roll as Commonwealth officer with an Emma Croft - Domestic
John William Croft retired in 1910 and the family story is that he boarded a ship for the Islands in 1913 and didn't reach his destination. -
Question is are they married did they have a family?
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Howdy! :0
Any chance of looking up a Elizabeth (Bessie) Emma Carr?.(nee Wilson)
Born in Portsmouth England 08.02.1927
But emigrated to Australia in 1960.
Married to an Leslie Alexander Carr. (born 24.08.1926). He was born in Australia, but came to UK on 19th Sep 1946, I believe.
Married Bessie in Plymouth UK in 1948.
They have 5 children before emigrating to Oz. They had a child in Oz but I believe it was still born.
I believe Bessie has passed away...but i do not know when or where in Oz.
She was my aunt.
Regards
Paul
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Hi itsme
Could be?
THOMPSON DORIS : Service Number - WX22074 : Date of birth - 15 Jul 1917 : Place of birth - KALGOORLIE WA : Place of enlistment - CLAREMONT WA : Next of Kin - THOMPSON HAROLD
Sorry not much else I can offer, events too recent.
Was THOMPSON Doris' maiden name or married name? (The above Doris was born Doris THOMPSON).
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Hi Cherilyn,
Am trying to find some info, NSW pretty sure, Shirley Frances Ayres b 1930
at Eastwood, married Loyal Douglas McLachlan 21 June 1952,father to Shirley, Richard Francis Ayres b 1892, mother Hilda May Atkinson b
abt 1896, married abt 1921, Hilda's Father Thomas John Atkinson b abt
1875, mother Emily Amelia (Cain???) marriage around Sydney.
Can you tie up any of these details, I find it very hard to gain info on relatives, I don't have a lot of trouble with the UK. Our marriage 30.6.96
Thank you for any efforts.
Regards Robert Blow
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