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Hi Cherilyn,

Thank you so much for the swift reply. It has been a great help. I am new to this as I only found his transportation this morning. I will try NSW records online but wonder if they will send documents to the UK. Is 36/0592 the ref for the C of F?

Yours,

Debbie

Hi Debbie

Sorry I can't see his death either, but it is unlikely he went back to the UK.

Poor Edmund had his Ticket of Leave cancelled on 17th Sep 1833 because he was "drunk and disorderly on the Sabbath".

He finally got his C of F in 1836:

GREENFIELD Edmund Royal George 1828 36/0592 13 Jul 1836 Certificate of Freedom

Do you have this document? It may have details of where he planned to settle. You can order it at NSW records online.

Sorry, not much help! :-\

Hi Cherilyn,

Thank you for your kind offer.

My ancestor Edmund Greenfield was transported for 7 years in 1828 and arrived in NSW. I cannot find a death reg for him in England so presume he died in Aus. Would you be able to help?

Thanks again,

Debbie

My pleasure! :-)

Cherilyn, please don't apologise for not being able to offer more! What you have provided is very valuable information that I had been unable to find on my own. Of particular interest is the physical description of Arthur, which is very similar to that on his maternal uncle's UK army records.

I'm extremely grateful for your help. Thank you so much.
Sonya

Hi Sonya

Firstly I'd suggest deleting the details of Arthur & Marion's children as they are likely to still be living.

Perhaps place these details on the 'Find Living Relatives' board?

I assume you have seen this with cemetery details and a headstone pic?
http://austcemindex.com/cemetery-inscriptions.php?id=384

I'm afraid the others are too 'recent' to be able to access any records.

According to NAA Recordsearch James Arthur snr applied to enlist in WWI in 1916 aged 41. Might be worth requesting the records.
Appleton, James Arthur; age 41; address - Kurri Kurri

Arthur also applied, for WWII service. He states he was born on 5th May 1918 in Kurri Kurri, and his occupation as profile machinist. He was aged 22 in Aug 1940 (or so he claims!), 5' 6", 131lbs, with fair hair and blue eyes. At the time he was living at 89 Barton St, Mayfield. His father's address was Maitland St, Kurri Kurri.

orry I can't offer more.

Hi Cherilyn

I wonder if you could help me with some NSW records, please?

I have a cousin Arthur Appleton, born 1916 in Newcastle NSW, son of James Arthur Appleton and Alice Calland, who were born in Warrington, Lancashire and emigrated in 1914. They lived in Kurri Kurri, where James died in 1946 and Alice in 1950.

Arthur Appleton married Marion Metcalfe in Kurri Kurri in 1942, but I don't know where and when she was born, or the dates of death for either of them. They had four children

James and Alice also had a son called John, born 1904 in Warrington. He married Elsie May Reynolds in Wallsend NSW in 1937 and they adopted a son called Frank, for whom I have no details. Elsie died in 1975 but I don't have John's date of death.

James and Alice had one other child, Maggie, born 1908 in Warrington. Maggie married Lancelot Allyn Ranclaud in Kurri Kurri in 1932 and I am in touch with their daughter Anne, so I have all the details I need on that side of the family.

I hope I have given enough information for you to help me?

Keeping my fingers crossed, and thanks in advance,

Sonya

Thanks Cherilyn, grateful for your help.

Cheers, Carole.

Hi Poppygirl

There are no other marriages for Hardy LUMB in Victoria or NSW from 1914 to 1939.

However, there was an earlier man by the same name, who had been married to Sarah and had a son named Thomas.

Thos LUMB died in 1947 aged 83. I think he may be Hardy jnr's father?

Are you sure Hardy was married before? Do you see him in earlier electoral rolls with someone else?

Hi Carole

This looks like it might be Allan's death:

Surname: MCDONALD
Given Names: Allan James
Father: John
Mother: Sarah UNKNOWN
Death Place: FITZ
Age: 79
Year: 1957
Reg Number: 7995
Event: D


though I also notice this one, in Tatura, with mother's mn as MACDONALD?

Surname: MCDONALD
Given Names: Alex
Father: Mcdonald John
Mother: Sarah MACDONALD
Death Place: TATURA
Age: 69
Year: 1949
Reg Number: 21790
Event: D

Currently, NLA Trove newspapers only cover up to 1953 or so. I can't find one for Lizzie/Elizabeth McDONALD/MACDONALD.

Might be worth contacting the Greater Shepparton Council regarding the Tatura burials (assuming they were buried there); sometimes the burial application can provide information.

Sorry I can't offer more

:-S

Hello Cherilyn,

Allan was born in 1878 in Argyle,Scotland. He married Lizzie Gifford in 1919 at Mingarry,Acharacle,Argyll. They emigrated after the marriage.

The parents of Allan MacDonald (McDonald) were John and Sarah MacDonald.
They were both from Argyle,Scotland and both died there (Sarah in 1910)

Lizzie's father Edmund Gifford arrived in Australia on the ship "ORVETIO"
in September 1926 (he travelled with his other daughter Helen and her husband Peter Martin (they went back to Scotland, Edmund died in Tatura)

I have no idea what happened to Allan after arriving in Australia. Would there be any newspaper obituaries in Australia ?

Cheers, Carole.

Hi cherilyn,
I have contacted you, before, so hope that you don't mind me contacted you, again.
I have a Hardy Lumb, this is the info that I gathered from helpful people on another website, but I am trying to find out if there are any relatives, more recently for this family, so have given you the details that I have, in the hope that you might be able to find any family of Hardy Lumb. He married my connection, Florence Cook, (sometimes known as Elsa Florence)?? in 1939, but he was married before, I believe It is this family that I would like to try to find out more of. if possible. Can you help at all. Here is the info that I have already. Thank you

1943
29 Little Palmerston Street
Carlton
Melbourne

LUMB, Elsa Florence, Home Duties
LUMB, Hardy, Munitions

1949
Pearce Street
Yarrawonga

LUMB, Elsa Florence, Home Duties
LUMB, Hardy, Labourer

1954
76 Reed Street, SC6
Cardigan
Melbourne

Am I in the correct state, here, for you???

Sorry Carole, nothing found. Do you know any more of Allan? ie parents names, year of birth, middle name? There are over 100 possibles so need more info. Maybe he remarried. Do you know when he died?

nb Elizabeth's death reg has her as McDonald, not MacDonald.

Hi Cherilyn,

All i have is the death obituary that was printed for both of them in the Banffshire newspapers in Scotland.

I just wondered if i could find out if Lizzie and Allan MacDonald had any children.
Any mention of kids in the obituaries over there.

Anything really, just clutching at straws. I have nothing on Lizzie or any family she had.

Cheers, Carole.

Hi Carole

Not sure what I'm looking for but will check it out tomorrow, have got a busy work week this week as I'm filling in for someone else as well :)

Cheers
Cherilyn

Thanks very much Cherilyn. That certainly sounds like the Cedric I was looking for as he did come from Carlisle and the birth date matches,
Well done. that's brilliant!
Daphne

Hi Cherilyn,

That sounds like him. His wife stayed in England & re-married as she was on a census with new hubby & her 5 chn.

Once again many thanks for your time looking him up for me.

cheers,
Chris

Hello Cherilyn, i would appreciate any help you can give.

Lizzie (elizabeth) MacDonald emigrated to Victoria, Australia with her husband Allan MacDonald and her father Edmund Gifford in about 1919. They were from Banffshire, Scotland.
Lizzie and Allan didn't have any children when they sailed for Australia ... i don't know if they had any in Australia.

Lizzie MacDonald died on the 25th May 1927 at Wangaratta,, Victoria aged 38

Edmund Gifford died on the 9th June 1929 at Tatura, Victoria aged 74

Here's hoping !
Cheers, Carole Gifford Dillon.

Chris, a John MANN died in WA in 1889 aged 78...?? Age is a bit out. May not have much info on the certificate (reg 249).

Can't see a WA marriage for him. Do you know what his wife/chn's names were from the UK? Maybe they came over too (though this was a rare thing).

He may have gone interstate from WA but seems unlikely.

Let me know what you think. :-)

Hi Chris

Transportation to NSW ended officially in 1850, and to VDL (Tasmania) in 1853. However the Swan River Colony (WA) accepted convicts from the early 1850s right up to 1868. So seems most likely he came here to WA.

This one aboard 'Clara' in 1857 seems to fit -

Mann John 4385 [sentence] 15y [age] 35 Lewes 02 07 1855 [crime] House breaking & larceny

He was married with 5 children, and a farm labourer. Lewes is where the trial took place, on July 2nd 1855. Does that fit?

http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/con-wa19.html