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Cherilyn

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Is this son Wm's death?
8617/1907 MCGUINNESS WILLIAM [f] WILLIAM [m] MARY COBAR

If so, alternativr death for father
972/1906 MCGUINNESS WILLIAM 75 YRS COBAR COBAR

A family direct descendent supplied Williams death as 1907 - unfortunately died just one year after his father.

Pat

Marriage
V1849837 79/1849 HANCOCK THOMAS [m] ALLEN ANN C JO

at St Matthew's, Windsor.

Seems a good match location-wise but really need cert/transcription to be certain.

If only I could find death notices! Hmm seems like it is a bit of a tricky one, I know it gets expensive ordering certs but might be the only way on this one. :-(

(At least a marriage cert gives you both sides - death certs only give one and are unreliable anyway! You can use a transcription agent in NSW to only get certain fields and save $)


**This COULD be Mary's birth in NSW, assuming she married very young**
V1855925 159/1855 HANCOCK MARY [f] THOMAS [m] ANN

Younger siblings were born in Bathurst (where she married Wm):
V1850863 50/1850 HANCOCK WILLIAM THOMAS ANN [d. 1913 Blayney]
503/1857 HANCOCK ANN THOMAS ANN SYDNEY
504/1857 HANCOCK THOMAS THOMAS ANN SYDNEY [d. 1893 Blayney]
4442/1858 HANCOCK EMMA THOMAS ANN C BATHURST
4897/1861 HANCOCK HENRY E THOMAS ANN C BATHURST [d. 1929 Cobar!]

Thos snr's death?
5565/1883 HANCOCK THOMAS [father] THOMAS DIED BATHURST BATHURST

Cherilyn

Yes I agree the children are addition siblings to Thomas and children of William McGUINNESS and Mary HANCOCK. How can I find out who both their parents are other than buying the marriage certificate ?

Pat

deaths
26582/1943 WRIGHT HILDA WILLIAM MARY ANN COBAR
14258/1958 MURRAY CHARLES VICTOR JOHN MARY JOSEPHINE COBAR
?
17983/1974 MURRAY CHARLOTTE LOUISE WILLIAM MARY

(I think HIlda's husband was James, not Jane! Looking a death of a son James in 1915 in Cobar...)

Ah, thanks Pat.

I wonder then if the whole family moved to Nymagee arund mid-1880s, as these look to be another 4 chn of Wm & Mary:

19484/1885 MCGUINESS DAVID J WILLIAM MARY NYMAGEE
21484/1888 MCGUINESS JOHN J WILLIAM MARY NYMAGEE
26481/1890 MCGUINESS HILDA WILLIAM MARY A NYMAGEE
35197/1895 MCGUINNESS CHARLOTTE M WILLIAM MARY A NYMAGEE

There were chn born to a Wm & Mary A in Nyngan but they did not marry until 1893 so I believe these are 'your' Wm & Mary's chn.

They could not have been Wm jnr's chn as he was only born in 1880 himself!

Here's marriages in Cobar that seem to confirm:
4681/1910 MCGUINNESS JOHN J [m.] MILLEN ESTHER E COBAR
8247/1910 WRIGHT JANE [m.] MCGUINNESS HILDA COBAR
11671/1914 MURRAY CHARLES V [m.] MCGUINNESS CHARLOTTE M COBAR

Edit: Mary's death?
6473/1900 MCGUINNESS MARY [f] THOMAS NYMAGEE

Cherilyn

This is what I have on Thomas Mc GUINNESS. He was born 1874 Forbes and married Sarah Jane smith 21/4/1902 CANBELEGO NSW. They had a children and lived at COBAR NSW. The NYMAGEE NSW connection goes from his brother William's line.

I think William died at COBAR NSW BDM 972/1906.

Thankyou for the extra child born just after the marriage in 1871. I think Emily could be Thomas's sister. His brother William married Effie May BRAY 1904 at NYMAGEE.

Thanks

pat

Is this son Wm's death?

8617/1907 MCGUINNESS WILLIAM [f] WILLIAM [m] MARY COBAR

If so, alternativr death for father
972/1906 MCGUINNESS WILLIAM 75 YRS COBAR COBAR

Did Thos marry Sarah SMITH in Cobar in 1902?

If so, Thos' wife's death:
34249 /1957 MCGUINNESS SARAH JANE [f] ROBERT COBAR

CHN of Thos & Sarah J:
Hilda R 1903
Wm 1905, d. 1906
Hy R G 1907
Robert T 1909
Ruby M 1911, d. 1911
?Fredk E d. 1920

Cobar is not too far from Nymagee???

1663/1870 MCGUINESS WILLIAM [m] HANCOCK MARY BATHURST

also reg as McGRIMELS.

Chn:
15078/1871 MCGUINNESS UNNAMED WILLIAM MARY ORANGE
10456/1874 MCGUINNESS THOMAS WILLIAM MARY FORBES
11353/1876 MCGUINNESS EMILY WILLIAM MARY PARKES
14011/1880 MCGUINESS WILLIAM WILLIAM MARY PARKES

Possible death for Wm snr:
5612/1919 MCGUINNESS WILLIAM [father] JAMES [mother] ANNIE FORBES

Do you have a marriage or death for Thos?

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Any connection to the Nymagee McGUINNESS'?

Emily McGUINNESS, daug of Wm & Mary, died there in 1896. Also several births to a Wm & Mary in Nymagee.

???

You may need to order Wm & Mary's marriage certificate.

Cherilyn

Trying to find a further generation of William McGuinness and Mary Hancock who married 1870 Bathurst NSW. I have 3 of their children as Thomas B1874 Forbes , Emily B1876 Parkes and William B1880 Parkes. Thomas is my direct line relative.

Would like to find out William McGuinness's parents and also Mary Hancock. Can you help.

Thanks

Pittsy

anyone???

:-) my pleasure!

Thank you so much for looking

Much appreciated

Liz

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Sorry Liz, can't figure out what the deal is with Qld. :(

Nudge for Colin.

Hi Cherilyn,

Thank you so much for looking.
Yes I had seen the notice. I don't know what the Queensland connection is I was hoping you might be able to help there:-) I was thinking that it could have been one of his brothers. Mary's last name is Lake. The father John had 3 stores in London 77 Cornhill, 230 Regent Street and 67 The Strand. I have seen an advert that does say that their watches, clocks etc are popular in India, Australia and sold to the King of Italy and had won several exhibition awards. I assume that both John Thomas and George were in Australia as agents for the company.

Appreciate your help

Liz

Thanks Cherilyn!

Hi Liz

Do you have George's death notice?

The Sydney Morning Herald, 28th April 1880
WALKER.-April 27, at his residence, 521 George St South, George Walker, aged 41 years, son of the late John Walker, watchmaker and jeweller, Cornill, London. Home and Queensland papers please copy.

What is the Qld connection?

Do you know Mary's maiden name?