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Hi Cherilyn,

Can I please ask another favour? I am looking for any information on Herbert S (Stanley) Watson who died Broad Arrow 1917 No. 5, we believe that he was born c1866 either Sydney where a couple of siblings were born or Castlemaine/Sandhurst district to George & Susan.

Dont' know if he married or had any children.

The family has a trophy presented to Herbert in 1909 engraving as follows:-
Herbert Stanley Watson BAPRC [Broad Arrow ? Rifle Club] 1909

Thanks, Joy

Hi Jodie

It is most likely Norman's birth certificate was changed AFTER Eric & Eliza married so that he would have the surname Moon. He would have been born registered as Dunning. I can't check that as no access after 1911, but you can order the certificate, though it will probably only reflect the re-registered details and not the original details.Unless there is a notation on there (unlikely), then there is no way to know who his father was, but it is possible it was Eric, since they married so young.

In fact, Eric lied about his age to the minister, stating he was over 21 ("of full age"), when he was actually only 19. From NLA Trove:

The Sydney Morning Herald, Friday 22 October 1915
A FALSE STATEMENT.
Eric Roslyn Moon, 19, pleaded guilty to a charge of having made, on oath, before the Rev A E. Forbes, at Canterbury, on May 29, a statement that he had attained the age of 21 years. He was bound over on his own recognisance in £40 to appear for sentence if and when called upon to do so.

I notice you have Eric born at Waterloo, NSW in 1894. He was actually born in Rockdale district in that year, son of Wm & Matilda Mary MOON nee BARDEN (reg 29862). (There was another 'Eric R M' born 1891 in Waterloo to Alfred & Elizabeth Victoria MOON nee SMITH; he died as Reginald Eric Harcourt MOON in 1978.)

Let me know if you need any more on the extended family. Sorry I can't help with the question about Norman's dad though.

Hi Cherilyn,
i am hoping You can help me with my research.my Great Grandmothers name was Eliza Belle Dunning born in1893 in Wickham NSW.
Eliza married Eric Roslyn Moon born 1894 in Waterloo NSW.Eliza and Eric are the parents of my Grandfather Norman Leslie Moon born 15.7.
1914 in Sydney NSW.
I have a feeling that Eric Moon is not my Grandfathers real father because apparently my pops birth certificate was amended in 1915 before Eliza and Eric were Married.
are you able to see if that could be the case.
Eric Moon also disappeared in in the early 60's without a trace.
kind regards
jodie

nudge

Hi Joy

Sorry but privacy laws mean I can't access births in that period as the person may still be living. I can't find their burials either.

However, there are only 2 Womack's listed in the telephone directory as living in the Melbourne area so may be worth a letter! www.whitepages.com.au (residential search, green tab).

Sorry I can't offer more.

Hi Cherilyn

Could you have a look and see if this couple had any children, probably in Victoria State and post 1926 which was when this couple married & where they're buried. I know when Mary died but not John

WOMACK: Jno Whalley (born 1903, Bawtry, England)
DUCKITT: Mary Adelaide

Thanks in anticipation.

nudge

nudge

many thanks

Maggie, sorry for the delay with the KISBY/KISBEE lookup. I will send you a PM as I found mroe than expected!

Hi cupcakes! Thanks for those, great stuff! Good to have the marriage, esp since it confirms the Tassie connection. :-)

I don't think the Thos Hy b. 1921 is connected - too young to be a son of Thos Manuel b. 1911 and unlikely to be another Thos born to Thos snr.

Daughter Kate's marriage:

Family Name: ROWLANDS
Given Name: Kate
Spouse Family Name: MCCOUBRIE
Spouse Given Name: Jno Ronald
Registration Year: 1933
Registration Number: 3744
Event: M

Name: ROWLANDS, THOMAS HENRY
Service: Royal Australian Air Force
Service Number: 419918
Date of Birth: 9 Apr 1921
Place of Birth: COBURG, VIC
Date of Enlistment: 9 Oct 1942
Locality on Enlistment: Unknown
Place of Enlistment: MELBOURNE, VIC
Next of Kin: ROWLANDS, THOMAS
Date of Death: 20 Dec 1944
Rank: Flight Sergeant
Posting on Death: No. 2 Squadron
WW2 Honours and Gallantry: None for display
Prisoner of War: No
Roll of Honour: COBURG VIC

Hi Cherilyn and Salimali


Marriage...
ROWLANDS: Thos
MANMILL: Johanna
Bth Plc: WALES
Year: 1907
Reg.NO: 9100
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MANMILL: Johanna
ROWLANDS: Thos
Bth Plc: TAS
Year: 1907
Reg.No: 9100R
---------------------
BIRTH...
ROWLANDS: Kate
F: Thos
M: Hannah MAUMILL
Birth Place: Carlton
Year: 1908
Reg,Number: 17558
----------------------------
BIRTH...
ROWLANDS: Thos Manuel
F: Thos
M: Hannah MOUMAN
Birth Place: Port Melbourne
Year: 1911
Reg.Number: 22887
--------------------------------
BIRTH....
ROWLANDS: Elizth Teresa
F: Thos
M: Hannah Johanna MOWMILL
Birth Place: Port Melbourne
Year: 1912
Reg.Number: 33457

Here is the Maumill connection - this is the death of Johanna's brother:

Examiner (Launceston, Tas), Monday 15 October 1934
MAUMILL.---On October 13, 1934, at his late residence, Derby, Emanuel (Jack), the dearly beloved husband of Janet Maumill, and third eldest son of the late Emanuel and Susan Maumill, of Launceston, aged 62 years. Funeral held at Branxholm yesterday. Victorian papers please copy.

Jo[h]anna Ada MAUMILL was born in 1884 in Westbury, Tasmania.

Name also spelled MAWMILL and MORMELL. Her father Emanuel was born c1845 in Tasmania, son of Wm & Marian. He died in 1896 in Launceston. He married Susan WILLIAMS c1867. (He is on IGI).

See also www.linc.tas.gov.au/tasmaniasheritage/search/name-indexes/nameindexes

Hi Salimali

I found his burial, which provides further info:

Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late Thomas Rowlands aged 82 are located at Church Of England: Compartment M Grave 908. Burial 13/5/1959.

Also in this plot are Johanna ROWLANDS, aged 43, bur. 13/10/1926; James W ROWLANDS, aged 6, bur. 10/8/1931 and Thomas M ROWLANDS, aged 49, bur. 23/5/1962.

See www.fcmp.com.au/index.asp?page=deceasedstandard.asp

Unfortunately my disk for 1902-1914 no longer works, as this is when they would have married. But I did find births of 2 children:
Amelia Joyce 1917 Pt Mebourne (reg 31601)
Jas Wm 1919 Pt Melbourne (reg 22120)

Johanna's maiden name is shown as MANNUILL and MAUMILL respectively. No marriage found for Amelia in Victoria.

her death:

Surname: ROWLANDS
Given Names: Johanna
Father: Maumell Emanuel
Mother: Susan WILLIAMS
Death Place: COBURG
Age: 43
Year: 1926
Reg Number: 13415
Event: D

Son James Wm's death in 1931 shows him as age 11 (which fits above birth). No death for son Thos registered in Victoria in 1962.

Ah he died in NSW - I think his name must have been Thos Manuel [error as father's middle name] or possibly his 2nd name is Johanna's maiden name misspelled again!:
17496/1962 ROWLANDS THOMAS [f] THOMAS MANUEL [m] JOHANNA ADA [dsitrict] WOLLONGONG

Hi Sandra
Sorry can't see a John GLOVER arriving as a convict after 1851.
Cheers
Cherilyn

just found this board and your offer for look ups
All I know of Thomas Rowlands time in Australia is
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Thomas Rowlands
Death Place: Kew, Victoria
Age: 82
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Jones
Registration Year: 1959
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 10752
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Would love to know if he married an if he had children
Many thanks

is it too late for you to check if this ancestor of mine was transported and if so when did he die... his name was john glover b.1801 in clerkenwell.he was in prison (newington surrey) in 1851 according to the census. his wife elmea glover b.1816 in stanstead kent was in kingston surrey jail on the 1851 census as well. him for stealing her for recieving. he never appears on the census after that though she kept on going till 1871.cheers

Hi Maggie

Working on this one today, will be able to tell you more tomorrow!

:-)

Cherilyn