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Hi, My 4 x great grandfather was transported to Moreton Bay in 1849 ,his name is Henry Sadler and he was born 1810 Lullington, Somerset, England. He made it home in 1886 and I just wondered if he married in the time he was there.
Many thanks,
Jane

"Henry Sadler Tried at Wells Quarter sessions Somerset ,Sentence 7 years
5th July 1847, Computed from 5-8-1847,
Voyage date 1-6-1849,
Ship, Mount Stuart Elphinstone"

If you go to http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/ ,there is a 'Ticket of Leave' for a Henry Saddler from the same ship - only problem it shows there were 2 of them on the same ship, one from Bedford, one from Somerset. This may be an error in transcription.

All the convicts on the Mt Stuart Elphinstone were exiles and became free men as soon as they disembarked in Brisbane. The Tickets of Leave were all written out prior to the ship leaving England and handed to the convicts as they left the ship.

This record has him as married with 5 children:

Millbank Prison Register:
Henry SADLER (Somerset)
PCOM 2/27 Millbank Prison Register. (AJCP Reel 5973)
Register No. 13020.
Pent., Ward & Cell 4 G. 5 A 9. 5 E 29 (4.11.47).
General Ward (5.2.48).
Name Henry Sadler.
Age 36.
Marr or Single, No of Ch. Married 5 ch.
Read and Write Read Imperfect.
Trade or Profession Laborer.
Convicted When 5 July 1847.
Where Wells Sessions.
Spec. Descr. of Crime Stealing 2 Furnaces also Stealing cheese.
Sentence 7 yrs.
Received When 7th Oct 1847.
From Taunton.
Prev. Convictions Once before.
Spec. Remarks & A/cs of Visits -------
Pages in Misconduct Bk & Gov's Jnl ---------
When Removed and Whither 11 March 1848 to Pentonville Prison.

Pentonville Prison Register:
Henry SADLER (Somerset)
P/COM 2/62 Pentonville Prison Register (AJCP reel = 5977)
Register No. 1665.
Name Hy Sadler.
Age 37.
Weight Coming In 9 stone 10lb.
Going Out -------
When & Whence Received - Date 11 March 1848.
Place Millbank.
Where Born - Place & County Lullington nr Frome Somerset.
Father's Name, Abode & Calling Richd Sadler, Fm Labr, Dead.
Single, Married or Widowed Married.
Number of Children Five.
Trade or Occupation Fm Labr.
Character Recd. with Prisoner Good.
When Committed ---------
When Tried 5 July 1847.
Where & before what Court Wells Sessions.
Crime Breaking & Entering a Dwelling House etc etc.
Sentence 1 month 7 years.
If Committed before & Other Offences How Often Once.
To what Prison Shepton Mallet.
When Last 4 years since.
For what Offence Assault.
When discharged and how disposed of --------
Time in Millbank Prison --------
Conduct while in Prison T L
Observations Embarkd per M S Elphinstone 25 May 1849.

Ticket of Leave Stub:
Henry SADLER (Somerset)
Ticket of Leave Butts, 30 Nov - 31 Dec 1849 (49/663 - 1401).
Shelf list 4/4219 - 4/4221. (SR reel 963)

Ticket of Leave.
No. 49/822 30th Nov 1849.
Name Henry Sadler
Ship Mt St Elphinstone
Master Loney
Year 1849
Native Place --------
Trade or Calling -------
Offence -------
Place of Trial Wells S
Date of Trial 5th July 1847
Allowed to remain in District of Moreton Bay=20
on recommendation of ..................Bench
Dated --------
Altered to Ipswich 18th Oct 1853 (written down side of TL)
letter Regd 53/610.

Possible return voyage to England in 1883, on the Iberia.

Hello Cherilyn

Where should I look for info relating to "Penong South Australia"
Does it come under a State ?

I have Patrick Farrelly born 1858 Staffordshire {grandfathers brother} who I have in the 1861 and 1871 census' but not after.

Two trees on Ancestry have him ? on them

Emigrating in 1879 to Penong
Marrying in 1892 in Glenelg
Dying in 1928 in Penong

They do not appear to have sources except for the marriage

Where would I find immigration info on the Patrick Farrelly who travelled in 1879 to see if he is "mine" ?

Any help appreciated :-)

Hi there
Just saw you post
Penong is a farming area on the west cost of South Australia, about 50km west of Ceduna. It would be wheat (marginal farming in some areas) and sheep.
There are some on-line records on the farming areas but not detailed.

Look at the marriage details to check if there is a connection to your family as James FARRELLY is patricks father on the Marriage data

There are a couple of private trees in Ancestry, you could contact them?
Farrelly-Smith
Personal Member Tree
3 attached records, 3 sources
Patrick Farrelly
Birth: 1858 - Staffordshire, England

The following should provide you with details to check if this is correct:

FARRELLY, Patrick
Found in 'Marriage Index' Database

Groom Given Name(s): Patrick
Groom Last Name: FARRELLY
Bride Given Name(s): Ellen Mary
Bride Last Name: HAYLES
Marriage Date: 1892, February 04
Marriage Place: St Mary Glenelg
Groom Age: 30
Groom Approx. Birth Year: 1862
Groom Marital Status: S
Groom Father: James FARRELLY
Bride Age: 24
Bride Approx. Birth Year: 1868
Bride Marital Status: S
Bride Father Name: John HAYLES
District: Adelaide
Symbol:
Book/Page: 170/425

also some births:
Given Name(s): Patricia Violet Mary
Last Name: FARRELLY
Birth Date: 1893, October 05
Gender: F
Father: Patrick FARRELLY
Mother: Ellen Mary HAYLES
Birth Place/Residence: Fowlers Bay
District: Flinders
Symbol:
Book/Page: 530/114

James Leslie Hayles
Last Name: FARRELLY
Birth Date: 1895, July 21
Gender: M
Father: Patrick FARRELLY
Mother: Ellen Mary HAYLES
Birth Place/Residence: Penong
District: Flinders
Symbol:
Book/Page: 570/93

Given Name(s): Eric Laurence Vernon
Last Name: FARRELLY
Birth Date: 1897, July 28
Gender: M
Father: Patrick FARRELLY
Mother: Ellen Mary HAYLES
Birth Place/Residence: Belamount Penong
District: Flinders
Symbol:
Book/Page: 608/61

Given Name(s): Raymond John Gordon
Last Name: FARRELLY
Birth Date: 1899, September 06
Gender: M
Father: Patrick FARRELLY
Mother: Ellen Mary HAYLES
Birth Place/Residence: Penong
District: Flinders
Symbol:
Book/Page: 647/229
(note died 1992 - http://www.ceduna.sa.gov.au/page.aspx?u=994&c=1443)

Given Name(s): Patrick Edwin Vincen
Last Name: FARRELLY
Birth Date: 1901, December 01
Gender: M
Father: Patrick FARRELLY
Mother: Mary Ellen HAYLES
Birth Place/Residence: Bellamount nr Penong
District: Flinders
Symbol:
Book/Page: 687/435

and deaths:
Given Name(s): Ellen Mary
Last Name: FARRELLY
Death Date: 20 Dec 1901
Gender: F
Age: 33y
Approx. Birth Year: 1868
Marital Status: M
Relative 1: Patrick FARRELLY (H)
Relative 2:
Residence: Bellamont nr Penong
Death Place: Bellamont nr Penong
District: Flinders
Symbol:
Book/Page: 283/139

Given Name(s): Nellie
Surname: FARRELLY
Death Date: 20 Dec 1901
Age:
Relations: Parent of Violet comma Les comma Eric comma Raymond & Vincent
Cemetery: Penong General

Given Name(s): Patrick
Last Name: FARRELLY
Death Date: 13 Oct 1928
Gender: M
Age: 69y
Approx. Birth Year: 1859
Marital Status: M
Relative 1: James Leslie Hayles FARRELLY [S]
Relative 2:
Residence: Penong
Death Place: Penong
District: Flinders
Symbol: H
Book/Page: 507/217

Given Name(s): Patrick
Surname: FARRELLY
Death Date: 13 Oct 1928
Age:
Relations: Parent of Violet comma Les comma Eric comma Raymond & Vincent
Cemetery: Penong General

on Trovenla
In Memorials

FARRELLY.— In loving remembrance of
out dear father, who passed away at the
Penong Memorial Hospital on the 13th
October, 1928.
The shock was sudden, the blow severe,
We little thought that death was near.
Only those who have lost are able to
tell
The pain there is In not saying farewell.
When the shades of night are falling
And we are sitting all alone.
There always comes the longing.
Fix this text If you could only come home.
— Inserted by bis loving sons, Eric. Ray,
and Vlnce, Penong. 285dx

Send me a message if you need more help

Hello Kevin

Thank you very much for the information you have given - I really appreciate it :-)

The Farrelly-Smith Tree on Ancestry is mine !

Because both lines originate in "Ireland" they are proving a challenge but my mother was sure it was Armagh

I think this is not "my" Patrick Farrelly as his father was named Nicholas and I have him with the family in 1861 and 1871 - of course it could be him giving a different name !

Many thanks

Hi Elizabeth

Sorry I was a bit late to the party on this one.

Yes it would seem this is a different Patrick as father's name is quite different on th marriage and this info would surely have come from Patrick himself.

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(lol Cherilyn, if you're looking for something, and can add anything!, take a look on below, Genealogy Chat)

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1361096


edits (was a time once, not so long ago, when I'd come 'here' first thing in morning, and see your name about on many a 'Thread', long gone eh?, you're not forgotten, lol)

Ha thanks Chris - yes things have been a bit quiet on here for a while! Of course I did take on more hours at work so tend to be on here a bit less too :)

Thanks for the link (and your kind words), I'll check it out!

anyone??

nudge

Hi
I have a Joseph Henry Pringle born 1829 Northumberland Married a Janet F Watt in 1852 Kelso West Lothian Scotland they had 3 children by 1860
1861 Janet was living with children at her Parents she died 1878 on her death certificate it had married to Joseph Henry Pringle a Gold Digger
1885 still a Gold digger [on his son's marriage certificate
1889 a Miner ? on his daughter 's Marriage certificate
Can't find him back here so possibly stayed in Australia if you could help
it would be appreciated

Thank you
Sylvia

Hi Sylvia

So they married in Scotland in 1852, and I read from your email that Janet died in Scotland?

Or was that in Australia? Was Janet Australian or Scottish?

Do you have any location in Australia please? Or are you assuming he went to Australia for the gold rush? It could also have been NZ, as the gold rush there started in the 1850-60s. There were also gold rushes in the USA and Canada in this period.

Hi

Yes I'm assuming!!
Janet was born in Manchester England her parents were Scottish and they moved back to Scotland after she was born. and she died in Scotland.
Think I'm going to have to go into his a bit more

Thank you

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356786?d=asc

(Janet on above)

Chris :)

(if has George for Father, 1852 Marriage, then could be below perhaps)

Baptism
County Northumberland
Place Tweedmouth
Church name St Bartholomew
Register type Bishop's Transcripts
Register entry number 1110
Baptism date 17 Dec 1829
Birth date
Person forename Joseph Henry
Person sex M
Person abode Scremerston Parish of Ancroft
Father forename George
Father surname PRINGLE
Father occupation Farmer
Mother forename Agnes

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link, also some others to relate Father George)


(if you mean above, seems to be references for him Royal Artillery, Gunner/Driver. 1851 Census, and Army List 3rd March (before Census taken) Woolwich)

(and below article related, he was awarded an honorary bronze medallion, from Royal Humane Society, he rescued 2 boys from drowning)

16 March 1850 - Kentish Independent - London, London, England

...gunner and driver Joseph Henry Pringle...


(if any help to Cherilyn)