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OK Susan has faxed the certificates throgh. As suspected some were mine.
These are Susans

birth cert William Winders 21/11/1893
19 Grafton Street St Helens
mother Ellen Winders formely Taylor
father occ coal miner
informant Ellen Winders mother
regstered 3/1/1894

Susan has replied but not much better


"The marriage certificate states---22nd August 1887 at St Peters of Parr
William Winders aged 19 residing in Parr (that is all the address)
miner
His father is John Winders Glass Maker
Ellen Taylor from Parr aged 19
Father Thomas Smith Labourer
witnesses to marriage William Johnson and Mary Taylor"

I have requested the residence at marriage addresses for William and Ellen from Susan. I will post when they come through.

Aunty's Ancestry contact is related to William and Barbara. She is also having trouble tracking down Susan's William. Will post when I get anything new.

Hi ladies,
Sorry, I believe that I’ve caused the confusion here, with the 1871 & 1881 censuses info I posted of William Winders, with parents John & Elizabeth.
Having rechecked, I now believe this info is NOT the same William who married Ellen, you are looking for …… But which AS had pointed out, is that of the William who married Barbara.

These census results indicate this too;

1901 Census
William Winders, wife Barbora abt 1865 Eccleston, Lancashire, England Head St Helen, Lancashire

William Windus
[William Winders], wife Ellen abt 1871 St Helens, Lancashire, England Head St Helen, Lancashire
______________________________________________________

1891 Census
William Winders, wife Barbara abt 1865 St Helens, Lancashire, England Head Eccleston, Lancashire

William Winders, wife Ellen abt 1868 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head Eccleston, Lancashire
_______________________________________________________

Steve

I have sent an email
I have also requested Susan to sed any certificates she has.

I have PM'd you with a response. If you find anything which sorts this out let us all know. Might save some of us from going completely bald.

No reply yet. If we haven't heard by this evening my time we may have to look at a different strategy. I will have more time to play this evening.

Thanks Sherlock.

I have sent a message, with the thread link, to the tree owner. Hopefully we will hear from her. Hope this will sort out the jungle.

I am working today again.bACK TONIGHT.

OK tied up right now. Will do so as soon as I am free.

Hi Sherlock

Do want you feel is right and see if they are able to get her on here.

nudge for Hugh

I have access to this tree.


"William Winders
Birth: dd mm 1865 - city, Lancashire, England
Marriage: date
Spouse: name F: John Hill (Winders)
M: Elizabeth Naylor
Which is different to John who married Elizabeth Dearden"

Do you wish me to contact the person and make enquiries. Or will I just take a look see and see what info differs from your info.

Edit. The line goes back to William Winders b. 1813. There is a comprehensive amount of information tracking through to the 1870 and then living rellies. I would prefer to make contact and ask if we could go through the data and see if it helps sort out your problem.

I know it is a public tree but courtesy dictates I do this the polite way. Yeah I know old fashioned.

Are there any particular questions you have and remember I still don't know if this is the correct lineage but it sure looks interesting, after a first glance around.

I agree it is possible Stevie but looking at the later censuses I think that is the one who went on to marry Barbara, I have a feeling they were all cousins or something so lots of Williams.

Hi Susan,
Look at the 1891 census I posted near bottom of page 1 of Williams father John Winders & family. Williams brother John aged 13, occupation at this time was Splitter in Glasshouse.

Its very likely that father & son were working for the same company. So its possible at the time of Williams marriage 4yrs earlier. That John was also doing this job.

Steve
:o)

Hi AS

SUSAN

William c1865 married Ellen Taylor fathers name Smith(cert)
Wiliam's father was John. Possible marriage to Elisabeth Deardon posted earlier.

William's father was a glass splitter.
I quite liked 1864 birth mentioned earlier as I can find no other in the area but I followed William 1865 through the census and he married Barbara and his father was a collier.

I posted and labelled my info(LK) as my family even have a Jessie.
My tree also goes back to Parr and Eccleston so there is probably a relation ship but furthur back.

Hi AS

SUSAN

William c1865 married Ellen Taylor fathers name Smith(cert)
Wiliam's father was John. Possible marriage to Elisabeth Deardon posted earlier.

William's father was a glass splitter.
I quite liked 1864 birth mentioned earlier as I can find no other in the area but I followed William 1865 through the census and he married Barbara and his father was a collier.

I posted and labelled my info(LK) as my family even have a Jessie.
My tree also goes back to Parr and Eccleston so there is probably a relation ship but furthur back.

Are we repeating information over and over again. I am so confused. How did you know William married Elizabeth. Because you have a marriage certificate.
When did Ellen become Elizabeth??

Williams wife is Ellen on all the census.

I am mixing up your lot LK and Susan's lot. And now I'm mixing up who said what.

How did John Winders suddenly become John Hill Winders.

Am I reading all this correctly. How about picking out the pertinent points and putting all the data into one thread.

Start with John Winders, then William and his family. And just Susan's side at this stage.

I need to get ready for work. Bother.

There is atree on ancestry that has

Winn Family Gedcom 2009
Public Member Tree
4 sources


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Name: William Winders
Birth: dd mm 1865 - city, Lancashire, England
Marriage: date



William Winders
Birth: dd mm 1865 - city, Lancashire, England
Marriage: date
Spouse: name F: John Hill (Winders)

M: Elizabeth Naylor


Which is different to John who married Elizabeth Dearden


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