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Hi Murray,

I have found a possible child from Grenfell's first marriage - It looks like this person may well still be alive so sending you the details by pm.

Dea x

Hi again Murray,

Just curious ! - Was Grenfell's father a Mariner as was his grandfather?

It seems strange that he is not with Minnie on 1911 and I can't find him on 1901 although I have found Minnie on 1901, with her widowed mother and brother.

Dea x

Hi Murray,

So, Grenfell's parents were Robert + Minnie who were married in 1901 (after the census).

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILLIAMSON Robert G WRIGLEY Minnie Birkdale St Peter North Sefton C4/2/433
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I am posting this as it is mistranscribed on Ancestry and you may not have found it?

Minnie WRIGLEY on 1901 at 114 Liverpool Rd. :

1901 England Census
about Minnie Wingley
Name: Minnie Wingley
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: Charley, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Birkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Birkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Formby
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Wingley 44 wid.
Minnie Wingley 23 ... Certificated Assistant at Church School.
Herbert Wingley 20

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3534; Folio: 80; Page: 5.

I cannot find Robert on 1901 !

Dea x

Dea, Chris has sent me shots from the 1911 census that show Minnie living in Birkdale with her son Grenfell Roy, and her mother-in-law Harriet and brother-in-law Herbert. Minnie completed the census form. No Robert Grenfell, so presumably he was abroad. Perhaps he was also in the Merchant Marine? Showing her mother as mother-in-law is confusing!

I have moved on to trying to find descendants of the other second generation marriages - not much luck so far. John Rawsthorne had a son George born in Bebington in 1907. The 1911 census shows them living in Rock ferry, up the road towards Birkenhead.

Murray

You need to look at freebmd, and find out the surnames for all the wives whose first names you have listed.

It may be that the ones who married after about 1895 had children after 1911, in which case you can find them - also on freebmd - by inputting both surnames in the search boxes

This is ONE of the marriages

Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Richardson Gertrude Birkenhead 8a 885
Williamson Thomas Hyde Birkenhead 8a 885

My thanks to Freewheel for Gertrude Richardson. She was born in Hull, according to the 1911 census, whereas the other Richardson - Marion Renney, who married John Rawsthorne, was born in Liverpool.

Now the only maiden name we are missing is that of Jessie who married Richard Pierre.

Murray

Sorry, Murray, but I'm not going to look for it for you - try searching freebmd yourself..........

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

It couldn't be easier.....................

Looks like Jessie Woolright, Murray!!

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Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Toxteth Park
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b



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Sarah Ann Dutton 1899 Toxteth Park Lancashire
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Edward William Williams 1899 Toxteth Park Lancashire
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Richard P Williamson 1899 Toxteth Park Lancashire
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Jessie Woollright 1899 Toxteth Park Lancashire

Sorry Freewheel - didn't realise you were about to "get tough" with Murray ;)

Freewheel, I did not expect you to do so! The bmd record is there - with no name of spouse. Someone else has been kind enough to look for it. I should have displayed those on the same page! My thanks to Aveyronnaise.

I am sorry to have upset you, Freewheel. I am still learning 'the tricks of the trade' at the age of 80!

Murray

another way of finding the right spouse is to use the site lancashirebmd.org.uk

they are not all transcribed but you can often be lucky and it states where exactly they married as well

eg
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1899
WILLIAMSON Richard P
WOOLLRIGHT Jessie
Toxteth Park, St. Michael

Apologies if I misinterpreted your posting - I read it as a request for the info to be found for you....................

I wish i had never heard of jessie Woollright, having spent the last hour or so trying to find her on the census and in bmd. Searches in Ancestry, lancashirebmd and lan-opc all suggest that the name must have been something else. I have tried Jessie on its own and have not found a family name anywhere near Woollright.

Tomorrow is a day off!

Murray

possible scenario

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
WOOLLRIGHT John
DORMING Jessie
Liverpool, St. Saviour

Deaths Dec 1895 (>99%)
Woollright John 34 Wirral 8a 317

Many thanks to lancashireann for Jessie Dorning. A brilliant piece of lateral thinking!

Murray