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I hsvre birth and death certificates as well as baptism and marriage certificate for William all these are on NsW birth deaths and marriages

Hi I am the wife of Marys great grandson Glenn.

Mary Johanna Elizabeth MCNAMARA b2:5 Jul 1888 died14 Nov 1982 daughter of Thomas and Theresa

? married to James padden who was her (Mary) brother Thomas's wife margaret 's brother he died oin 1905

13 Oct 1908 Married William Carmichael Spark in Broken hill NSW had 3 children Evelyn Violet, William and James they split just prior to JAmes birth in 1913.
Ther e may also be another partner prior to charles but i am yet to confirm with evidence.
I also have her married to charles Raue however no divorce records and william still alive and living in Victoria Australia,
She also had a partner Harry Yelland some time prior to 1928 as she was still with him when her grandson John Ronald Sparkes was born in 1928 for quite some years Jogn thought they were his parents.

Ah I see, Margaret died in 1919 (reg as RAVE) in Balmain, dau of John & Margaret.

I have checked Vic & Qlds but no SPARK/SPARKS/SPARKE marriage found.

Good luck!

I'll look into the death notice. Thank again for the help

The Charles Frederick Raue who died 1969 (Anne Rigg his wife) was the son of Charles Frederick Raue who died 1949 from his 1st marriage to a Margaret Scullen. Anne Raue nee Ponts was is mother, Hugo Edward Raue father.

Yes Bruce it is a mystery!

This is Edward Hugo's marriage in NSW as mentioned on some PONT forums

1044/1869 RANE EDWARD H PONT ANN E SYDNEY

Chas Fredk snr was born in Balmain in 1877 (reg as RAWE). This is the one that died in 1949. This must be his marriage to Margaret (shown as Chas F jnr's mother):
7227/1897 RANE CHARLES F SCULLEN MARGARET BALMAIN SOUTH

So I still hold that Mary E married the 1902 Chas Fredk.

:-) Good for her I say!

Reckon his death notice may hold the key!

Ah Ann was the wife of Edward Hugo, who died in 1914 (ie she was Chas Fredk snr's mother)

16085/1949 RAUE CHARLES FREDERICK EDWARD HUGO ANN ELIZABETH BALMAIN

I wondered about all that too.

This is the one who died in 1969 it seems

1157/1902 RAUE CHARLES F
CHARLES F << same father's name as 1969 death
MARGARET
BALMAIN SOUTH

The other death

16085/1949 RAUE CHARLES FREDERICK
EDWARD HUGO
ANN ELIZABETH
BALMAIN

-- no marriage for parents, no birth. Aha, this is the death of the father of the CF Raue who died in 1949:

10775/1914 RAUE EDWARD H
KARL F
AMELIA
BALMAIN SOUTH

-- no marriage or children registered. But deaths of Robert James in 1950 and Albert George in 1974, also children of Edward Hugo and Ann Elizabeth.

Who are these people now? The marriage of a son of Raue and McNamara? --

21369/1946
RAUE CHARLES FREDERICK
RIGG ANNE
NORTH SYDNEY

or another marriage for the CF Raue who married McNamara?? (oh oops, you said that Cherilyn!) Which would suggest either death or divorce before 1946, if so.

McNamara's first marriage could have quite simply been in another state.


With all those siblings for Mary Elizabeth McNamara, and all their marriages and children and deaths to be hunted up, surely some living family member might be found!

Are you sure the 1949 Chas is the son and not the father? Could be Mary married a younger man 2nd time round.

1157/1902 RAUE CHARLES F CHARLES F MARGARET BALMAIN SOUTH
22552/1969 RAUE CHARLES FREDERICK CHARLES AGED 67 YRS BALMAIN

RAUE Charles Frederick Death notice 15APR1969 Death 67 late of Balmain

Notice in the Sydney Morning Herald on 17 Apr 1969, see wwww.ryersonindex.org

Possible 2nd marriage to Anne RIGG in 1946 in North Sydney?

His death notice may list any children or additional info re Mary/Anne.

PS The electroal roll son Ancestry show an Ann Elizabeth RAUE living in same district as Chas Fredk RAUE (Dalley NSW) in 1930. Then this death:

14156/1931 RAUE ANN E PHILLIP FRANCIS BALMAIN NORTH

She does not appear in 1933+.

???

........there is another 'Charles Frederick Raue' who died in 1969 age 67yrs? Any link there? .......The electoral rolls (1921+) should show when 'Mary Elizabeth Raue' went 'missing'. (the 'NSW State Library' will check for you). Valerie (WAus)

Chn of Thomas Francis & T[h]eresa Matilda?

Samuel 1873 Boorowa
Thomas 1875 Boorowa, d. 1952 Randwick
Edward 1877 Boorowa, d. 1964 Camden
Francis Joseph 1880 Young, d. 1881 Grenfell
Margaret 1882 Boorowa, d. 1882 Burrowa
Ilus A T 1882 Temora
Lilly C 1884 Barmedman
Patrick 1884 Cootamundra
Kate M G 1886 Barmedman

Could Mary E have been adopted? Burrawang is towards the coast, quite a long way from inland Barmedman/Boorowa/Young/Temora.

There was a Thomas Joseph who married a Theresa Martha in 1893 in NSW and Dorothy listed above was their daughter. They also has Thos George 1894 and Valerie E 1897.

:-)

Thanks again Bruce
Not sure if Mary had any children. Charles in my ggrandfather and no one in my family whose alive knew about Mary. She is one of those mysteries that has stump me for a few years and a few more it looks like.

She seems to have had siblings

9572/1877 MCNAMARA EDWARD
THOMAS
THERESA
BOOROWA
death
4444/1877 MCNAMARA EDWARD
THOMAS
THERESA
BURROWA

16984/1882 MCNAMARA ILUS A T
THOMAS
THERESA M
TEMORA

046/1894 MCNAMARA THOMAS G
THOMAS J
THERESA
SYDNEY

other children whose deaths were registered but not births

7232/1881 MCNAMARA FRANCIS J
THOMAS
THERESA
GRENFELL

6252/1882 MCNAMARA MARGARET E
THOMAS
THERESA M
BURROWA

26517/1964 MCNAMARA EDWARD
THOMAS FRANCIS
THERESA MATILDA
CAMDEN


oh, and another birth ?

20445/1884 MCNAMARRA PATRICK
THOMAS
THERESA
COOTAMUNDRA

some of the births are double registered as MacNAMARA as well

and

25094/1900 MACNAMAPA DOROTHY B E
THOMAS J
THERESA M
PADDINGTON

but no Mary Elizabeth!

I added the Charles and Mary marriage because you knew when it was, but nobody else did -- dates can be significant, e.g. in this case the possibility that Mary was a war widow with a child who wasn't actually married. It's a theory!

It says she was a widow when she married Raue?

Thanks Bruce, I've got the Charles & Mary's marriage certificate. This lady is a bit of a mystery, I've can't find her birth on BDM.

The second marriage is in the NSW index

10730/1921
RAUE CHARLES F
SPARK MARY E
BALMAIN NORTH

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingMarriage.cgi?

but there is sure no sign of the first. Might that have been a _3rd_ marriage??

There were 11 marriages of male Spark-s in NSW 1905-1920, two to Marys, Padden and Cornish. No McNamara marriage to either name.

Given the timing ... is it possible that she went by Spark because she had lost a fiancé / father of a child in WWI? I looked at CWGC, there are three Spark-s in Australian war deaths. If they weren't married, the record would not show a wife's name.

http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14

For instance, deaths with name Spark and mother Mary E*

10736/1927
SPARK RICHARD M
father EDMUND M (born 1895)
mother MARY E (ruled out - she was Emma M Budge at marriage to Edmund)
YOUNG

25548/1979
SPARK JAMES HENRY
father JOHN ROBERT
mother MARY ELIZABETH
- two John R Spark marriages, 1927 and 1935, neither to a Mary

or a child could have died since 1978, or been a daughter who died under a married surname

Thanks Anne

put the word Australia in your heading - ur friends from down under will most likely be able to help you

Looking for a Mary Elizabeth McNamara.
Born abt 1891 in Burrawang, NSW, Australia.
Parents Thomas Francis McNamara & Theresa Bellamy.
1st marriage to ? Spark and was widowed.
2nd Marriage to Charles Frederick Raue.
She lived in Rozelle NSW at time of marriage.
They married St Johns Anglican Church, Balmain, NSW on 18 June 1921.
Charles died in 1949 but do not know what happen to Mary she wasn’t around prior Charles death.