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Hi all,

I have found that Martha Parkinson 1809-1888 and her 2 daughters Mary Jane Parkinson 1831-1904 and Lucy Beswick 1833-1890 were buried at Yorkshire W.R.

Is there any way I can find out if they are buried together?

Thanks, Joy

and I hadn't picked up that I had posted Sarah's death in 1840 ...... for some reason I was thinking she had died in 1842 and so would be on the census


but of course 1842 is when Abraham re-married


duh!



sylvia

and I get fed-up of keeping looking back to make sure that I'm not duplicating!!


but in fact I think much of what I posted has come from a different source .... so is confirming what you posted.

Sylvia you are repeating things I posted and you know how I hate duplication. ;) -- the Abraham+Keturah marriage, the 1851 census ...

We're really looking for the first wife, Sarah Parkinson!

"so we don't have a man with one wife Sarah Keturah, but one man with 2 wives .......... one called Sarah and one called Keturah"

... as I think I established a good page back ... specifically:

#1 Sarah Parkinson
and
#2 Keturah Martin (I frankly don't think "Sarah" comes into her name, I think we have the usual case of idiots making family trees)

The 1824 marriage to Sarah Parkinson is the one that interests Mel (she had not specified a date when she first enquired so I had no way of knowing, and so I followed Keturah briefly at first).

Thanks Sylvia for your help, you wont find Sarah on the 1841 Census, she died in 1840!!

Hi MM

gosh it must be after 4 am your time!



sleep well
xxx



sylvia
xxx

I'm the UK Night Owl. Gosh Sylv, you have gone at it like a bat out of hell!

Only a night owl cos t'internet crashed and I had to spend an hour getting it back up.

To bed.

MM

I wonder if this is Abraham in 1841 ....... living alone. Even though the age is very clearly 55 on the census image

The 3 girls are away at school, and I haven't found William

1841 Census

Name: Abraham Holroyd
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Halifax
Hundred: Morley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Sowerby

Abraham Holroyd 55 Waste Dealer


I cannot find Sarah or William in 1841 ..................... so 'tis a puzzle!





sylvia

and that second marriage of course explains the gap between William and Sarah Jane

1851 Census

Name: Abraham P Holroyd
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Theturah Holroyd
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds

Abraham P Holroyd 55 Woollen Merchant
Theturah Holroyd 44
Caroline Holroyd 23
Emma Holroyd 21
Elizabeth Holroyd 19
Charlotte Holroyd 18
William Holroyd 16
Sarah Jane Holroyd 1
Elizabeth J Wated 30 Niece, Farmer's Daughter
Elizabeth Kanhelf 35 Servant
Elizabeth Raundell 27 Servant
Thelma Holmes 16 Servant
Elizabeth Coverdale 32 Servant

Address:- Sturdy House, Roundhey Road


so we don't have a man with one wife Sarah Keturah, but one man with 2 wives .......... one called Sarah and one called Keturah



sylvia

and here is his marriage to Keturah Martin

Name: Abraham Parkinson Holroyd
Year of Registration: 1842
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Hailsham
County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 7
Page: 457

Keturah Martin 1842 Hailsham Sussex, East Sussex



possible death for Sarah ???


Deaths Mar 1840 (>99%)

Holroyd Sarah Leeds 23 290




sylvia

No, I didn't have the Will information, thanks.

I will be off now, going for my normal Monday afternoon walk.

I note that a couple of Public Famiy Trees on ancestry say the following about Sarah Keturah Parkinson .................. which doesn't somehow make sense with what you say and what Janey and I have discovered


Sarah Keturah Parkinson

Birth Abt 1805 in Hellingly, Sussex County, England
Death 1879 in Knaresborough, Yorkshire County, England


NO parents given




They do however give the following parentage for Abraham, which explains where the Parkinson comes from in his name!


Joseph Holroyd
1759 – 1834

Birth 15 Feb 1759 in Leeds, Yorkshire, , England
Death 1834 in , , , England


Hannah Parkinson
1764 – 1845

Birth 29 Sep 1764 in Leeds, Yorkshire, , England
Death 1845 in , , , England




sylvia

Hi Mel

it's just before 8 pm where I am, a couple of hours earlier than where Janey is.


There's the odd UK night owl around, but yes mainly the Canucks and the Aussies!





sylvia

do you have this?


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941

Name: Abraham Parkinson Holroyd
Probate Date: 20 Jan 1872
Death Date: 5 Jan 1872
Death Place: York, Yorkshire, England
Registry: Wakefield

The Will with a Codicil of Abraham Parkinson Holroyd late of Leeds in the County of York Stuff Merchant who died 5 January 1872 at Leeds was proved [20 January 1872] at Wakefield by William Holroyd Stuff Merchant the Son and Richard Hale Braithwaite of Leeds Solicitor the Executors. Effects under £45,000




sylvia

Hi Sylvia,

Yes, that is the family, there was also Joseph which was what this thread started with!!

BTW what time is it where you are? Janey & you must be the only ones on here!

These could all be siblings of Sarah


Hannah Parkinson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
christening: 21 Jul 1803 — SAINT PETER,LEEDS,YORK,ENGLAND
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence:
parents: Abraham Parkinson
spouse:
child:
marriage:



Abraham Parkinson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 28 May 1807
christening: 02 Jul 1807 — SAINT PETER,LEEDS,YORK,ENGLAND
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 1807 — York, England
parents: Abraham Parkinson
spouse:
child:
marriage:



Mary Parkinson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
christening: 05 Aug 1801 — SAINT PETER,LEEDS,YORK,ENGLAND
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence:
parents: Abraham Parkinson
spouse:
child:
marriage:



John Parkinson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 28 Jan 1809
christening: 20 Apr 1809 — SAINT PETER,LEEDS,YORK,ENGLAND
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 1809 — York, England
parents: Abraham Parkinson
spouse:
child:
marriage:



Ann Parkinson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 03 May 1810
christening: 17 Oct 1810 — SAINT PETER,LEEDS,YORK,ENGLAND
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 1810 — York, England
parents: Abraham Parkinson




sylvia

again not unusual for mother's name not to appear ...... and even if it did, it would probably only be her forename


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Sarah Parkinson
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 06 May 1805
baptism/christening place: SAINT PETER,LEEDS,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: Abraham Parkinson
indexing project (batch) number: C00962-6
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1711611




sylvia

I cannot remember at the present time where the names came from, will have to look through my records.

My gggg grandfather was Abraham born 1807, he was a Wine Merchant when he first arrived in Australia, he was the only one that left England, probably the black sheep!!

I had been told that the family were well to do by a gg aunt

Thanks for the Census, I think that you have just given me Anne's marriage, found on IGI Wm Charles Copperthwaite m Ann Parkinson on the 1 Aug 1831, will check further but there is a possibility it is correct.

from beta.familysearch

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: Abraham Parkinson Holroyd
bride's name: Sarah Parkinson
marriage date: 04 Oct 1824
marriage place: Saint Peter,Leeds,York,England
indexing project (batch) number: M07193-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 918383



no names of fathers ..... which is not unusual at this period in the UK.


Mother's name would not show, unless she happened to be a witness.




sylvia

Where do you have the names/birthdates of the daughters from?

It occurred to me, duh, that I should have searched the IGI for Sarah Parkinson daughter of Abraham *and Mary*, but now all I'm getting is error messages ...

You can also try searching it for birth/baptism, no name, father Abraham Parkinson, mother Mary, Yorkshire, 1805 +/- 10 yrs, say, if it ever decides to work.