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I will keep my eyes open Ted, for any new posting.

Have a good time - crikey, is it Christmas already? Wondered what that turkey was defrosting for!

Before I go I forgot to ment ion the reason why Jane was in the institute
in Lancaster St Marys was because the lady who founded the institution
came from LIVERPOOL and she was the founder/benefactor of the place, and as Jane was born in Liverpool area then i think its only reasonable to assumee
that in some way Jane finished up in Lancaster. I think it was for young ladies only if my memory serves me right, but I could be wrong,
TED.

Bruce and all of you. thanks very much for all your efforts and yes those two in the institutions are my Jane and her brother, ive just had a quick look at my pages and pages of stufff on the family, but right now nearly christmas ever I will be in the doghouse if my wife finds me messing about with my files.
all I can say after that is
ALL OF YOU HAVE A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND LETS HOME THAT HE LOOKS DOWN ON US ALL FOR THE COMING YEAR.
TED. THANKS AGAIN ALL YOU HELPFUL AND UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE.

Hi Ted. Once you do have it sorted out just come back to this same thread and lucky Madmeg and I ... and Julie will see that you've added something new.

Madmeg and I have both spotted the same orphan in 1871

Name: Jane Morley
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Orphan
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Lancaster
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Lancaster
County/Island: Lancashire

(I wondered whether a Grace Malley in the same institution might have had her name spelled wrong and really be a Morley but she is in St Marylebone in 1861 and does not have a sister Jane)

If Jane was orphaned young she may not have known her birthplace for example if she was in Liverpool when she was orphaned the institution may have given her Liverpool as her birthplace even if it wasn't.

Just for future reference this could be the brother you are thinking of in 1871

Name: John Morley
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: Boys Orphanage Certified Industrial School

If that is him then this family in 1861 could be interesting

Thomas Morley 40
Jane Morley 40
Robert Morley 14
Ellen Morley 11
Richard Morley 9
Thomas Morley 6
Jane Morley 4 <<<
John Morley 2 <<<
Ellen Amdow 68
Civil parish: Formby
County/Island: Lancashire

If the parents died the older children would have been self-sufficient by 1871.

The family in 1881 with children Margaret and Samuel that Madmeg posted is the correct one as I understand it.

So when you have it organized just tell us everything you know. But take some time out to have a happy Christmas first!

hi all, I want to thank you all for helping me out but im gonna call it a day on this one. I will tell you why, because ive been out of the game for over 12 months, health problems and im only now just getting back into it.
as a matter of fact now I come to think of it JANE was in an institute as an orphan but I cant remember right now just where or when eccept that she was around 15 years old, AND now seeing that i believe that she had a brother who was in some sort of institute around Preston In Lancashire if im not mistaken, anyway he was a long way away from his sister Jane, and if I remember also his dad was ssomething to do with rope making,
so you can see how im mixed up, just a bit. So ive decided to dig my papers our and go through then slowly and then get back to you all, I bet now you are real sorry I asked for help. BUT MY THANKS GO OUT TO YOU ALL and I hope you will help me out with other problems once ive got things sorted.
There you have it all and the only thing ive got to saya right now is HAVE A HAPY XMAS AND A VERY PEACFUL AND LOVELY NEW YEAR. ted.

Ted, you haven't led us up the garden path but in order for people to help you they need to make sure they are looking at the right family. You already know the right family - we don't.

So, if the 1881 census is the correct family we know that Jane was born about 1855 in Liverpool, and there is a marriage in June 1879 to Jane Morley.

I can find no Jane Morley in Liverpool in 1871 or 1861. There is an orphan age 14 in Lancaster in 1871, born Liverpool.

There is a birth in 1855 West Derby, but there are also a couple of possible young deaths of Jane Morley.

So I then wonder if she was previously married. The only likely marriage is of Jane Miller to George Francis Morley in Dec 1872. I'd be more convinced if I could find a death for him, but I can't.

In order to have any chance of knowing if she had siblings we need to know her maiden name for certain and her father. The marriage certificate would give you that. Otherwise I can't seem to do any more.

There is a Jane in 1871 who is an orphan in an institution and I fear that this is your Jane. Do you know her father's name from her marriage certificate please?

Name: Jane Morley
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Orphan
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Lancaster
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Lancaster
County/Island: Lancashire

She is not in the right place but she was born in Liverpool. Were you able to contact the person with Jane Morley 1855 in their family tree? Unfortunately that person does nto have any other Morleys born in West Derby 10 years either side of 1855 in her tree so no clue as to brothers and sisters. The most important piece of information is Jane's father's name when she married.

hi all, im really leading you all up the garden path arent I by not explaining myself the way I want to. Can I TRY AGAIN and maybe get it right this time.
JANE MORELY married CHARLES LUNT in 1879 and she died in 1888.
Now that marriage produced 6 children 2 boys 4 girls, this my was granddad Lunts first marriage before he married my grandmother eliz Lunt.
NOW I KNOW EVERTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT JANE, CHARLES
AND THEIR 6 CHILDREN. EVERTHING ( I think).
NOW THIS IS WHERE IM GOING WRONG.
Jane must have had brothers sisters. And I want to know about them!
did they marry, did they have children, all I can about the MORLEY family
NOT the lunt Family.
If she did have sisters and brothers then they probably married and had children of their own and it is possible that some of those MORLEYS could still be alive today, and they are the ones I want to hear from, or about. hope that clears it up a bit. its a hard job this family history thing dont you think. TED.

Perhaps you could swop some of that information with us Ted.

Margaret

No Charles Lunt with wife Jane in 1881.

EDIT - I mustn't have had my specs on.

1881 England Census
about Charles Lunt
Name: Charles Lunt
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: West Derby

Civil parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 99 Back Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Groom

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Rural)
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Lunt 30
Jane Lunt 25
Margaret A. Lunt
Samuel Lunt

1891 England Census
about Jane Lunt
Name: Jane Lunt
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Ridland 43
Jane Lunt 31
Elizabeth A Lunt 10
George Lunt 7
Bessie Lunt 2


Jane is a widow. But presumably the children are hers.]

No, you said she died in 1888.

Ah, I see now. Ted wants to meet other family members, not have a load of "finds" by other people.

Ted, the likelihood of other family members being active on this site is a bit remote. That's why we all pitch in and try to find other relatives via census records etc.

So we need to find the descendants of Jane Morley's siblings.

Do we have her parents?

Or it that information on another thread? Can we please have the link to that thread?

We cannot help without full information.

Margaret

Hello Madmeg, I didn't say no one wanted to help, I said maybe no one looking for living relatives wants help or at least I should be careful to ask first before asking questions to be able to help, since Ted seemed to want answers only from relatives. That seemed to be what Julie's rather sarcastic post about how she could see what he said was telling me. I had quite understood that he was looking for living people. There are ways of tracing through the generations to living peple is what I was saying to start with.

Maybe if Ted tells you the names of Jane's family members you will be able to help with that. I think that without those names it is likely that even someone related who was reading this might not know they were related to Jane Morley, if you see what I mean. I mean they might know their great-grandfather was 'John Morley' just for example but not know that he had a sister Jane.

Ted

I am a bit slow. So you don't want to know about grandchildren of Jane Morley because you know she didn't have any, is that right?

So you now want to move onto her siblings to see if they had children and grandchildren - is that right too?

I don't quite understand Bruceabt's post that no-one wants to help, I'm prepared to give it a whirl.

But I am still bothered by you saying that people born in the late 1800s were your cousins. I'm no spring chicken, but I don't have any cousins born in the 1800s. The earliest I have is 1920.

I apologise and will not bother you further.

Many people on this board seem to be looking for living people and I guess that I must now assume that none of them would like help.

Madmeg what confuses me now is that Ted said 'Anyone out there please who has a grandmother JANE MORLEY' so it seemed to me these could only be children of the children of Jane Morley and Mr. Lunt and it certainly seems that we know who all of them were lol.

It did confuse me a little when Ted said that all the people found on the 1881 census were cousins of his.

Julie. hi youve hit the nail on the head. I know all about Jane and Charles my grandad, and i know all about their 6 childen 2 boys and 4 girls and I know that none of the had any children, some died very young, others went off to Canada, BUT I dont know anything about JANES brothers and sisters? whether they married or not and whether there are any of their children alive today, maybe one of the MORLEY family is still alive, probably married if she was a female and they are he ones im looking for
MORLEYS who are alive, I Dont care what relationship they are to me,
1st 2nd cousins. Its no good me looking up on the 1911 census cos
I dont know if there are or were any of her family alive, and i certainly dont know any names. There must be someone somewhere who used to have gandparents who were MORLEYs.

Bruce

The first 2 lines tells you that Ted was looking for living people

Or is it only me that can see that

Ted I think you will find from what I have observed that unless you do say you don't need help many people here will try to offer it since all posts here appear on the complete discussion board and everybody here reads them not just people who share surnames.

The best way to find family members I have found is to look for them, lol. This would mean finding the marriages of Jane's children and the children of those children and so forth until you reach someone who would now be living. With the indexes available now for example at FreeBMD and Ancestry and the 1911 census it could well be possible to find cousins and that is something the experienced searchers here can really help with. You seem to be another one with long generations! I am not recently hatched myself and my grandparents were born in the 1890s while your parent who I am assuming is a child of Charles Lunt's second marriage was born around the same time or a little later it seems so I reckon your half-cousins who are grandchildren of Jane Morley would be a little older and you may be looking for half-cousins once or twice removed if I'm saying that right.

Hi Ted

I understood what you meant that why i suggested what i did lol

Merry Christmas to you too
Julie x