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Nothing more new but that im still struggling with where to start in co mayo....

Nicholas's father was called Edward and i have no ideas as yet.......

OK to clarify what i know so far...

have worked the Mcavadys back to the 1st one in Oldham - Nicholas

Nick & Mary were the 1st Mcavadys to settle in Oldham circa 1860's

Cant yet find anything on Nick's side altho i have the irish county he was from

Seems Marys family (parents James & Bridget) brought her over as I have found her family Walsh on the 1861 51 & 41 census's

James & Bridget were both born in Co Galway Ireland and at 1841 they were in their early 20s. 21 approx and married - i believe in Ireland somewhere probably around 1836-1840

1841 census shows them living on Dale St Liverpool with one child Seragh B1841

1851 census shows them still in Liverpool residing at 235 Howard St. Now with Seragh (Anglesised into Sarah) aged 10yrs. Also other children - Catherine 7yrs, Mary 5yrs (my great great great grandmother - mothers side), Ellen ,11 mnths. James is a bricklayers labourer.

Sarah, Catherine, Mary, Ellen all born in Liverpool.

I cant be sure if i have the right james & bridget as mary's parents tho... altho the 1851 census puts mary at the right age as per her MC to Nicholas in 1867. I need to have abreak and check this lot again!

I cant seem to plot the move from L'pool to Oldham with the right family. I know the reasons, work/employment no doubt.

LIVERPOOL CONNECTION IS WRONG! different family

Evening Paul...

Haven't had much success today so far ...my computer is on a "go slow"...
I have found Death for a John Frizzle 1854 Oldham ..it may be worth checking him the 1851 Census...the Surname seems to be Manchester area.

Info from the Frizzle/Macintyre MC....

Patrick's address - Whitehead Square Oldham

Mary's address - Duke Street Oldham

Marriage took place @ the Parish Church 1849.

Patrick's father = John Frizzle
Marys father = John Macintyre

Patrick & Mary were illiterate which again explains the slight variations on the spelling of their names...

Im really struggling to find anything in Ireland. patrick & Mary both boarn there but all census info just states "Ireland not even the county.

MC states their ages as "Full" so i will probably have to get their DC's to find any more?

Can you recommend any lancs specific websites to look at for further info?

Im just starting to look into Ireland...they all want money the ones ive found so far...

I checked the current electoral role for Mcavadys in Oldham....dissapointing...none left...

Morning Paul...Hope you had a Good New Year....
Will see what I can find with the info re Nicholas' father...

Hi Erin...happy new year....

Patrick's father's name was John Frizzle (Frizzell)...It seems they were also not able to read/write as MC displays "their mark" only.

Address I will have to confirm tonight when im home...

Nicholas Mcavady & Mary Walsh's MC arrived on sat. Again spelling variations on the name Mcavady / MacAvady / McEvady.

Marriage is dated Dec 1867

Nicholas aged 22
Mary aged 21

Address for both parties is "Water Street" oldham. - suggesting they lived together upon arrival from ireland. Still cant find any details from ireland....from Co Mayo & galway respectively.

Nicholas's father was Edward Macavady
Mary's father was James Walsh

Paul...What was Patrick's fathers name on MC...What addresses were given for P and M.

Got the MC for Patrick Frizzel & Mary Macintyre.
It tells me their addresses but nothing else, no ages just "full" and perhaps they could not write as "X" marks the spot....

Still waiting for the McAvady & Walsh MC.......

Not sure where to start to look for Frizzel/Macintyre......both born Ireland somewhere around 1827 or so...

All the census records record birthplace as "Ireland"

Bit easier with Walsh / McAvady as at least I have the county names where they were from in Ireland.....

hey erin...yep i found some of those details too on pat/marys kids... i take on board yr points regarding the census "abt" info. lol.
Am hoping their marriage certs will shed some light on the ireland connection.

However gonna getx xmas out of the way before i continue the research, on that not pls have agreat xmas, t hanx for sharing your thoughts and expertise with me, and help too.

The Mcavady saga will continue in the NY!

regards,

P.

Paul....
These are the children born to Patrick and Mary (All St Marys ...Oldham Lower)

William b 1849 died 1849 (Reg Frizne !!!!)
Mary Ann b 1850.....
John b. 1852 died 1854
Elizabeth b 1855 died 1855
Wm.Henry b 1856.....
James b.1859....
Thomas b.1863 died 1863
John Thomas b 1864.....
George b 1867.....
Cannot find one for Catherine b. abt 1860/60...as per 1880 Census.

Paul...I can see where you are confused with the age given at Patricks death and the ages stated on the previous Census...you need to use the information on early Census as a guide only and not as set in tablets of stone...Bear in mind also the person registering a Death may not have known hold old the person was...just took a guess...(My grandmother "lost 10 years" on her DC).

Now sent off for both marriage certs for Frizzell+Macintyre AND Mcavady+Walsh.....

See what they both say, hope the turnaround isnt too long....

HI ERIN...

i too found the death of Patrick Frizzell at 1885, however at aged 49 yrs that puts his birth yr to 1836. Cross checked with the 1851/61/71/81 census info, it completely contradicts the recorded age(s) within the census's...confused!

I will look into the frizzell kids marriages...

Ihave been looking at ancestry.co.uk & freebmd.uk.org for the frizzell children... then seeing if there is anything relevant on GR...nothing matches so far....

Paul...Re Frizzell "Children" have found the following possibilities...

Marriage John Frizzel to Joan E Rae 1886 Cholton on Medlock
Marriage Mary Jane Frizzell to John Collier Sept.1885 Manchester

Paul...Patrick Frizzell's death was Registered Oldham March quarter 1885...aged 49 years.
Do you mean you were searching on the GR Boards for Frizzell children..?

Tried searching this site for the Frizzell children and any matches...nothing significant....

Hi erin.

I can only find census details of Nicholas Mcavady/Mcevady with Mary on 1871 details. That why i thought they were in Ireland before that date.

Address:
No2, Court 4, off Garlick St Oldham.
At this time Mary's father James Walsh/Welsh also lived withthem together with brother in law William Morris, although i cant see how he fits in....

have been looking at the Frizzell line this morning and found that Patrick must have died between 1881 & 91, his wife Mary remarried one Henry Bowls (also from Ireland) & they lived with just one of her children (Rose) born to Patrick. After 1891 they have dissapeared off my radar for now!

Paul...
Can you let me know where Nicholas and Mary were living 1861/71 Census details..I'm working blind at the moment...

Hi erin...

Yes i was indeed aware that edward was one of the 8 children of Nicholas Snr & Mary Walsh....

the other info is interesting and perhaps i shoudl have looked wide as well as deep in order to help solve the puzzle...

yep Ive just about got my head around the marriage to Wm Tierney! thanx

I havnt managed to find Marys mothers name..well i might of earlier today (come across it) but have forgotten...its such a big family....

To re-iterate im intersted in now looking backwards from Nicholas & Mary as they are my direct ancestors. I feel i might have jumped the gun a little with the ireland connection however the 1871 census does state that Mary walsh was born in Co galway & Nicholas Mcavady born in Co Mayo....Also her father was living with them at the time...

Tried to find some death details for her father James Walsh /Welsh (her dad) but as yet unsuccessful...

Again if she was born in galway i searched around the yrs 1846-1848 & there are several Mary Walsh's across East & West galway. Found 1 froma a census a s a 14yr old girl living with her mum who was widowed, discounted immediately...other than that ive drawn a blank...

Drawn a blacnk with her father james Walsh as well at the mo...


but again im racing alittle too qiuckly and of course i want to be sure as dammit! lol

maybe some info rests upon the arrival of Nich & marys wedding certificate as some of the census info is perhaps 1-3 yrs in approximation of their birth years so i cant be sure. Very sketchy.

Tomorrow is another day!

Paul...These should help with the marriages of Nicholas and Mary's children...

Stephen McAvady (MCHOADY) married Hannah Smith June 1902.
Thomas McAvady married Mary Hatton June 1906
Thomas died aged 32yrs 1911
Michael McAvady married Sarah Kevill Dec.1909
All Marriages/Death Oldham
Stephens surname is transcribed as in the brackets....

Interestingly I have found a Patrick McAvady marrying an Angela Hatton 1906 West Derby...so there were McAvady's in L.Pool and there were a few in Birmingham...