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Please use the 1905 wars thread for any replies as the saffron walden in the title of this one is wrong. thanks

merry xams all

rich

I have just been pointed to this thread by Dee from the other one.

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1194184

I am not persuaded that the McPherson marriage has anything to do with this family! (Unless this is actually a known fact, for instance Fred was reared by the McPherson couple, but Rich has not said where it comes from.)

And I still really do not understand what is and is not actually known about this Harriet(t) who was Fred's mother, or where the information has come from that she was his mother, or that she married three times, &c.

Thanks all for your help. I'll report back with a big hug once the certs have arrived and your wonderful help has solved the problem :)
Rich

Hi Rich,

If you're willing to take a gamble on about £7.00 I would buy the marriage certificate to Mr Mcpherson...... it may have Harriett as Harriett Fuller, formley ????? (maiden name)? Then you may have another name for Harriett.


Dee x

Rich, people delete their own posts if someone else has provided the same info. The rude comments are left in! hehe.
Jan

Hi Jan
The witnesses were from the wife's side only for definite.
I am going to get the marriage cert mentioned ion this thread plus the sept 1905 birth cert fro FG Fuller from Woolwich to see if i can find out more!
PS why do the admins keep deleting posts on this thread? Do people make rude comments or something? lol
Rich

Rich, forgive me if I've just missed it, but did you ever tell us the witnesses on Fred's marriage cert?
Jan

Hi Barbara
That is the WG Fuller! Thank you very much!
I have just found out that Harriet was a bit of a firework! She apparently married 3 times.
She had Fred ( Ws boy) with her when she had his step brother George with a Mr Mcpherson.
I guess (altho family say otherwise) she might have married WG which would be why on the post in this thread Dee found her under that name, or maybe she took it for her son's sake. Her maiden name is going to be elusive tho!
Cheers
Rich

The William G Fuller Newsagent 1911

1911 census transcription details for: 262 High St Plumstead
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN2911 RG78PN100 RD30 SD4 ED7 SN230

Reg. District: Woolwich Sub District: Plumstead East
Parish: Plumstead Enum. District: 7
Address: 262 High St Plumstead
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
FULLER, William George Head Married M 44 1867 Newsagent London Kings Cross
FULLER, Annie Wife Married
28 years F 44 1867 Assisting In Business London St Lukes
FULLER, Lina Daughter Single F 23 1888 London New Cross
DEAN, Clara Assistant Single F 20 1891 Assisting In Business Plumstead
BARNES, Adeline Assistant Single F 19 1892 Assisting In Business Plumstead

Well I have found a W G Fuller newsagent in 1901 census born in Kings Cross. I chekced every single William Fuller and I think this must be him.

Thanks for the checking in this thread for me. What I am not sure of is if Harriet below is Fred's mum then Fred should be there (unles she gave him up to his dad)?

WG was married in 1901 and so poss George (freds half brother) is not, as we assumed in the family, related through mum but through dad. The affair (or leaving) of his wife by WG might therefore have occurred 1903/4 to give time for George to be born in wedlock and Fred to be born out of it.

I am going to have to buy credits for the 1911 census aren't I? :(

Cheers
Rich

What about this???

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
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AIKEN Ernest W. Ham 4a 384
BIRD Ada W.Ham 4a 384
>>>>?>?FULLER Harriett W. Ham 4a 384
>>>>>>?MCPHERSON George Charles W. Ham 4a 384
PRESTON Florence Mary W. Ham 4a 384



I'm not saying this couple definatley married.... but???


Dee x

Not sure about that Saffron Walden idea now! But just in case:

Births Sep 1905 (>99%)
Whyman Frederick George W Saffron W. 4a 871
Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
Lofts Frederick George Saffron W. 4a 840
Wright Frederick George Saffron W 4a 841

Jan

Rich,


What was your Grandmothers name?

Dee x

I think you need someone who can look fully at 1911 to find Fred. Might not have been born a Fuller.
Jan

A lesson learned there I think! Family info is invluable but to be treated with caution (speaks as someone who has been down many a false path!)

This William George was a newsagent::

FULLER WILLIAM GEORGE M 1867 44 Woolwich London

Thanks Dee and Jan
I managed to track down some living relatives and it seems family info was wrong.

Fred was born 1905. I have his marriage cert now to show that. His dad William George was shown as deceased at marriage but was a newsagent. (someone said he may have been a woodmerchant at one time too)
Fred's mum was apparently never married to William. She may well have been a seamstress called Harriet. Apparently she went on to marry a Mcpherson (spelling not sure).
Fred had a half brother George apparently older (but I am not convinced of that). Apparently died in WW2.
Np place names but Fred lived with my grandma in Walthamstow.
Cheers
Rich

Doing free searches on the 1911;

HOUSEHOLD FULLER FREDERIC GEORGE M 1906 5 West Ham Essex

Free search looks like other family with him;
HOUSEHOLD FULLER ANNIE CAROLINE F 1879 32 West Ham Essex
HOUSEHOLD FULLER GEORGE M 1874 37 West Ham Essex
HOUSEHOLD FULLER MURIEL ELSIE F 1908 3 West Ham Essex

_________________________________________________________

FULLER FREDERICK M 1906 5 Halstead Essex

Free search, others with him;
HOUSEHOLD FULLER ROBERT M 1872 39 Halstead Essex
HOUSEHOLD FULLER ROSE F 1871 40 Halstead Essex
HOUSEHOLD FULLER VIOLET F 1901 10 Halstead Essex

_________________________________________________________


FULLER FREDERICK GEORGE M 1906 5 Woolwich London

Free search lookslike these are also the family with him;
HOUSEHOLD FULLER EDWARD HENRY M 1904 7 Woolwich London
HOUSEHOLD FULLER JESSE HENRY M 1874 37 Woolwich London
HOUSEHOLD FULLER JESSIE ELIZABETH F 1901 10 Woolwich London
HOUSEHOLD FULLER MARY ANN F 1871 40 Woolwich London

____________________________________________________


So none of these look promising.


Dee x

I assume you got this info from his marriage cert? Do you have an occupation for his father?
Anyone can do a basic 1911 search - see Jonesey's thread on records office, will nudge it for you.

EDIT do the witnesses to his marriage offer any clues?
Jan

Thanks folks
Maybe the family lore is wrong..wouldn't surprise me!
His full name was Frederick George Fuller and probably he was 1905.
I can find two on the BMD in Woolwich and West Ham.
His father was William George Fuller but as i can't access the 1911 census I cannot see th etwo of them together.
If anyone can check that one I'd be very grateful but if not then thanks for trying people. it is appreciated.
Cheers
Rich

Denise is right. If you widen it out to Essex there are too many!
Jan