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Hi Derek need a Derbyshire expert please.

any idea where this is or what it should read as. on the actual image it looks like Honeysecks?? (surname is Bartrop)

1851
Name: Sarah Barbrop
[Sarah Bartrop]
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Barbrop
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Honeyscelis, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Worksop
Town: Worksop
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Worksop
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 2122
Folio: 173
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
William Barbrop 66
Sarah Barbrop 63
William Barbrop 17
Robert Barbrop 76


thanks Jennifer

Wow thank you Derek you are a star <3
Had a look at No 4. Its thrlling is't it? Seeing the house where a previously unknown relative lived,As sisters to my great Grandma I guess they were my Great Great Aunts. As a great Aunt myself I hope my GGNephews and Nieces will know me a little better. :-)
h it just gets better .... been relayiing tis to my husband (who is also a Beeley and he wondered if the Baggaley wom Charlotte was married to is an ancestor of Kristan Baggaley whose Derbyshire paintings adorn our walls? There is a diversion for me in my spare time

Hi Lesley..just a little bonus for you:-

CHARLOTTE WHITE who married THOMAS BAGGALEY (a Baker from Newark Notts) had the following children:-

EDITH ANNIE 1.08.1882
BERTHA 07.12.1884
Helen Gertrude 1887..died 0.06.1887 probably unbaptised)
ALBERT 1890 at Flintham Notts

(Flintham is near Newark)

On the 1901 Census Charlotte has two further children..

KETURAH 1892..Beeston Nottingham
FLORENCE W 1895 Nottingham

Charlotte (a dressmaker) is there without her husband..although she is shown as Married rather than Widowed.so whether Thomas died between 1895-1901 is yet to be found.

Haven't found anything as yet about Eliza Jane or about Georgina

EDIT 14.51..another little snippet:
1911..Charlotte IS now a Widow..(a costumier!!)..in Nottingham wiith her four children...AND FLORENCE WHITE..her sister unmarried..which explains why I couldn't find a marriage for her.

They were living at 4 Park Avenue West Bridgford Nottingham.....which I'm aure still exists.if you Google the address..and zoom in on the "Street View"..you may find the exact house!!......YEP..found it..a small Victorian semi..go look!
Derek

Thanks Derek for the confirmation re: Beeley and Edensor. Also excited to find some marriages for the White Girls. Ta!
Yes, I am descended from the Stockport Beeleys, Samuels son Arthur (born Buxton) moved to Stockport but it was Lancashire then Lol.
I will have fun looking up the Baggaley/Davies and Plane connections now.
Thanks again :-D
Lesley

Hi Lesley.........

There are no Beeleys in Beeley......and the other parish on the Chatsworth estate is Edensor.no Beeleys there either.......

Esther beeley's family all came from Yorkshire.

Samuel and Ruth Beeley lived in Buxton derbyshire, but i can't find their marriage, which was probably in yorkshire..becasue their first child was born in Sheffied 1888..as was Edith 1902...............in between we have:-

Florence Ann born Buxton 12.01.1894
Frank born Buxton 15.11.1895

both baptised Buxton 18.12.1895

The only marriage i can find for the children of GEORGE WHITE (wheelwright/Carpenter) and Ruth .are as follows:-

Eliza Jane White married William Davies at Buxton 09.05.1893

Charlotte White married Thomas Baggaley at Buxton 16.03.1881

Georgina White married William Stennit Plane at Buxton 04.05.1885

..all three girls had father George White a wheelwright/carpenter.
EDIT..some of Samuel Beeley's stock ended up in Stockport Cheshire!!

Derek.

Hi Derek, I am not a million miles away in Cheshire, and absolutely adore Derbyshire. I would move to Litton in a heartbeat.

George's older brother Thomas (different mother) ran the hostelry which became The Grouse Inn.

I guess with the Whites I was wondering if you could find any marriages for the girls. thanks for the info regarding their baptism records.

The Beeleys - anything in and around Beeley would be interesting.

Ta , Lesley

Hi lesley..as one waffler to another..greetings..but i haven't the faintest idea what exactly you are looking for.......

Having said that i have been looking at the WHITE family of the area of which you waffle..

I have no idea where you are..but if you're not local, you might like to know that Grindleford Bridge,Hathersage,Nether Padley are all within spitting distance of each other in the Parish of Hope.......or of EYAM.....

They are not to be found at Hope..but anyone born in that area would have been baptised or married at either hope or Eyam........and it was Eyam........

GEORGE WHITE baptised Eyam 02.05.1830 son of Thomas and Barbara.
MARY ANN HANCOCK waas baptised 21.08.181 at Eyam daughter of Francis and Ann

I do have the Eyam records so i can take both of these further back if you want.

George and Mary Ann were married at Eyam 28.01.1855.

No then.... George and Mary Ann moved around a bit because their children were born as follows:-

Ann 29.07.1855 Eyam
Charlotte born 22.11.1856 baptised 15.02.1857 Eyam
Georgina 1859...date unfound..Sheffield
Frank 07.05.1861 Sheffield
Eliza 1862..Eyam..date unknown because my baptism records for Eyam and at 1860
RUTH 20.08.1865 Hathersage
Kezia 26.08 1866 Hathersage
Emily 18.07.1868 Hathersage
Keturah 04.12.1870 Hathersage.

which doesn't do much for your Beeley question..but I'm on to that next...........

Derek.

Hi Derek, I wonder if you are able t throw any light on the Beeley Family? Many branches have tried to ascertain whether we come fromthe village of Beeley on the Chatsworth Estate, however we have never shown this (although my GDad (Samuel Beeley B:12/9/1859 illeg. Barnsley) did work there. I have traced mine back to Leeds where the mother of Samuel - Esther Beeley was born in 1842. Esther and Samuel moved to Sheffield and later Samuel married Ruth White of the Whites of Nether Padley.
There were quote a few Beeleys in Sheffield and qite a fdew of them moved to Derbyshire but I can't find them.

Also, Ruth Beeley (nee White B 1863 Hathersage) had lots of siblings that I lost track of in Buxton - careless of me I know!
Father: George White b ca 1830 Nether Padley
Mother: Mary Ann nee Hancock b ca 1831 Grindleford Bridge
Ruths siblings:
Ann E b: ca 1856
Charlottte b: ca 1857
Georgina b: ca 1859
Frank b: 1860 married Sarah Crowther 1884
Eliza b: ca 1862
Ruth - as above 1863
Kezia b: ca 1865
Emily b ca 1868
Ketura b 1870

All these girls but what great names! Haven't managed to find anything about them with reards to marriages or deaths.

Sorry - I do waffle!
Lesley ;-)

Ah Derek you surprised me again. I have found 2 deaths that may match Henry one in 1885 aged 43 and one in 1889 aged 21. guessing he was the 43 year old one.

Edit.... Got them on 1881 census 80,Green Stret Leeds with 3 kids .

Hi LG..I suspected as much from the start..Try..CATHERINE BICKERDIKE marries HENRY TERRY Leeds Register Office.Jfm1874

I know :-D thats what I meant.

Anyway an update. I have found a baptism for Catherines son Harry which states his father as Henry Terry so it seems she was married before . Also found the baptisms of Peter and my Grandma Annie. That has not helped any way in finding the bloomin marriage of Joseph and Catherine though :-|.

edit. Puzzling over if she married a cousin as I have her father as Thomas Terry. Hmmm the plot thickens

That was last night!!

Oh Derek you are an absolute star. Thank you for these ,much appreciated.

ps. I thought you were going to bed :-D

Well..here we go again..another night shift.

PETER RICHARDSON baptised All Saints derby 04.12.1803 son of Peter and Sarah
LOUISA MAW baptised All Saints Derby 26.04.1804..daughter of THOMAS MAW and SARAH nee WOOD (who married 10.04.1798)

were the parents of: (all baptised St.Alkmund Derby.....

Thomas 28.05.1827
Frederick 17.09.1828
Edwin 1832
William 05.07.1834
JOSEPH 19.02.1837
Sarah 11.12.1839
Ann 21.03.1841

1851 census does not mention Ann (perhaps died)
Louisa Richardson died derby AMJ 1846 (Derbys BMD's
and Peter Richardson is shown as a widower..

Night night.....

EDIT 10.52am.....from the 1911..can't find Joseph or Catherine.....ANNIE is a servant at 99 Regent Street Leeds....HENRY married to Harriet is a Funeral Driver living at 30 Nippet Stree Leeds

..and I believe Joseph Richardson died in Batley/Dewsbury buried 01.09.1907 aged 71

That is almost certainly him dirty old devil :-D. I have searched the BMDs too with no luck. Perhaps they did not marry at all ;-)

LA..GOT THE B.............!!.....Almost certainly..but must do some work to confirm...........Got him married to Margaret in 1861 in Lancaster..he is a shoemaker born Derby 1836......
On that basis he may well have been living at 61 King Street Derby in 1851..with his father PETER RICHARDSON widower..a SHOEMAKER!!!!

I'll do my usual fine tooth jobbie..but its got to be ain't it?????

I have him with Catherine in Leeds with the three children 1891 and 1901......
..but the marriage to Catherine TERRY is nowhere on \Yorkshire Bmd.s between 1860 and 1890..and it shoud be!!..was Terry her maiden name??? probably cos she's 20 years younger than him..Old Goat!!

But we might be getting there..

Derek

Annie and her brothers were born in leeds, Joseph on the census says he is born Derby. Catherine Terry 2nd wife born 1855 Thirsk. i do not yet have their marriage but will try and look for that. a guideline might be the firstborn son Harry born 1886 Leeds. As far as I can work out Margaret died about 1885.

Thank you

Derek,
You are an absolute star !!! you have unwittingly given me some information that I have long since drawn a blank on, that's the date of John and Martha Reeve's wedding and also Martha's maiden name.
John was buried at hope in 1900 and Martha in 1902, the vicar there gave me that information but neglected to give me the grave number. John and Martha had been regular worshipers at Little Hucklow Methodist Church, they raised my grandmother ( they were her great grandparents ) and she used to attend with them, she lived with them until they died. I believe that in summer they used to go to Church on Sunday evenings at St. Peter's Hope, so they seem to have had a foot in each camp. Elizabeth their daughter married Sam How at St. Edmunds Castleton on June 21st 1875.
Thankyou for the work you have done, and in such a short time, I really appreciate it.
Kind regards.
Harry.

Hey Gooner....this is terrible!!.......I've found the marriage of JOSEPH RICHARDSON to MARGARET SKIRROW on BMd,s...JAS 1847...

Have found what MIGHT be her Baptism 08.05.1827 St mary's Lancaster...daughter of John and Jenny Hathornthwaite..who married 01.10.1807.which makes Margaret probably the youngest of several children.........but no certainty about this one...........becasue you'd think that in 1841 she'd be still with her parents..but she wasn't..she is in a large establishment as a Domestic Servant.

Then you'd think I'd find Margaret Richardson bc1828 on the 1851....nope!!

So the only way to go is to work backwards........You don't tell me where Joseph came from..presumably not any longer Derbyshire.......we only have about 60 Joseph Richardson born
five years either side of 1833...so.....

Do you know when he married Catherine Terry?? and where.....
Do you know when and where Annie Richardson and the other two children were born???????

Then i can work backwards......

Derek.

HMM Derek, I have different info on Joseph from my cousin so I don't think the Mellor one is mine.Mine married Margaret Skirrow in Lancaster who then died and he married Catherine Terry and produces 3 children one of whom was my Grandmother Annie.

Thank you so much for your time and it's back to the drawing board for me , going to ignore my cousins info in future until I check it out thouroughly :-(