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Kath..have changed my mind again.......Robert Tattersall 1770...father of George Tattersall 1793 (who probably possibly...married mary Hutchinson 1796 in 1821) was the son if isaac...which may mean that George Tattersil...ignore the spelling for a moment..1780.who may have married mary marsden ..may have been the brother of Robert..therefore the uncle of George 1793...........

Derek

Hi Kath.....this is certainly not easy..but perhaps we are not relying enough on our resources....

There are only two Georg'e that qualify in terms of timesacle....which makes it easasy if you accept the Source....

The George that married MARY HUCHINSON dronfield 1821 was actually GEORGE TATTERSIL...and there is only one of them....GEORGE TATTERSIL 12.0.1780 Chesterfiel son of isaac.......both entries quite definite on the spelling.

GEORGE TATTERSALL Cesterfield 25.12.1793 married MARY MARSDEN 24.12.1832. Old brampton..he was the son of Robert and Elizabeth.

My advice is to match up the two spellings for the two marriages..even the speliing difference is lost later on........
EDIT:..George Tattersall died JFM 1845 Radford notts.???? seems possible at least since mary married Abel 1847....
Derek

Hi Derek Thanks for getting back to me with more info, this is a really confusing problem. There appears to be two Geoge Tattersalls, cousins I think, one born abt 1780 son of Isaac and the one I think is mine b abt 1793 son of Robert both born in Derbyshire in the Chesterfield area, could be Dronfield, Brampton or Alfreton?? Always thought my George was the one who married Mary Hutchinson, distant cousin told me this, she also said that Mary was bap. 16/8/1789 daughter of James but I think the Mary Tattersil on the 41 census for Nottingham with her son Robert is mine even though she gives her age as 45 and born in County?? This is why I wanted to check the marriage of George to Mary Marsden.
I've got the marriage cert for Mary Tattersall to Abel Holmes and it does give her Farher's name as James Hutchinson so we know that a Mary Hutchinson did marry a Tattersall but which one?? I did think that if Mary Hutchinson died young perhaps my George married again to Mary Marsden and it's her that's on the 41 census??? It's really frustrating that I can't find a record of any George Tattersall dying in either Derbyshire of Notts. that fit the above and as we're said before where was Mary after she married Abel Holmes?
Any help you can give me to solve this would be really appreciated.

Regards
Kath

Hello Kath..yes..sorry not to have been in touch..I keep coming back to it..but with little success.....

However........the entry for George Tattersall's marriae to Mary Marsden 25.12.1832..give no details except that he is "of St. Nicholas Nottingham"

I've been through my marriages for St Nicholas and can find nothing to fit possible parents of George. Was he born in Notts???

Chesterfield District BMD,s give TWO Mary Holmes' death registrations in Chesterfield for 1850.....

However..and this is interesting..Old Brampton PR's give the following:-

MARY ANN MARSDEN 30.03.1806 daughter of George and Mary..and in the Burials for Old Brampton St peter and St Paul (New Brampton St Thomas Church was not opened until 1832....and incidentally the Church that married George and Mary..served parts of the original old brampton and Walton)..as I said the Burials for Old Brampton give the following:-

MARY ANN HOLMES of Walton..buried at St peter and St.Paul 19.03.1850 aged 44..it is inconceivable that these two are not the same person!!

George married Mary Marsden.......but she only has to christened and buried under her full name.......

A marriage certificate for Abel and Mary..would give her parents name...George and mary marsden???

and if George WAS born in |notts..then i think HIS parents were also \george and Mary!

what do you think???

Derek.

Hello Derek

A few weeks ago you sent me a pm regarding my query about the death of Mary Holmes, she seemed to disappear after she married Abel Holmes in 1847, you said you were working on some ideas about this and I wondered if you had found anything. Also I asked you if you could have a look for the marriage of George Tattersall to Mary Marsden on the 24/12/1832 at St. Thomas's Church in Old Brampton, parents names would be a great help.

Many thanks

Kath

Glyn.......I have answered your query by PM.

Derek.

No Warwick..It's my brevity..Joseph WAS born Gedling according to the 1911..and i can find no sign of an Emily Withnall DOB

Sorry Derek....I think I might have sent you off on a tangent - it was Emily Withnall I was asking about.
Warwick

Warwick..definitely Gedling on the 1911..and i can't find Emily anywhere! Sorry

Derek.

Derek,
I had Joseph down as one of your neighbours ie born in Basford, will change it since youv'e disowned him. Did you spot a DOB for Emily?
Warwick

Hi Derek,
Many Thanks for that. I was pretty sure it was Emily from Williams middle name, but someone sowed a few doubt seeds. Best to make certain. I assume it was 1903 was it? Had a look at the Red door, for some reason it kept coming up with No. 12 with a brown door, I must have wobbled the orange man. First time I've tried that. After years of Bband speed of half a meg we've just got super fast and from the 21st we go to 30 megs Wow.
John George snr's father John was an undermanager at Bretby Coll.
Speak soon
Warwick

Hi Warwick.....EMILY WITHNALL..born Ellistown Leicestershire..married JOHN GEORGE BELFITT ..as you say BoT Reg District.

Children:-..John George Belfitt 1904 (Stanton. Burton on Trent)
Joseph Albert Belfitt 1907 (Gedling Nottingham)
William WITHNALLBelfitt 1910 (Gedling Nottingham)

Both Stanton and gedling had very important Coal-mines..and John George senior was a Colliery Overman in 1911..living at 5.Station Road Gedling Nottingham...a 19th century semi-detached house..with a Red Door!!!...if you Google the address and go into Street View via the little orange man..you'll see the house still exists.


Derek.

Derek,
Would you see if you can come up with a bride for me!
John George Belfitt born 1879 Newhall Dby Married either Burton Reg Dist 1903 or Chesterfield Reg Dist 1906. Spouse either Maria Sarah Wilkinson or Emily Withnall. Of course it could be neither.
I have first child as John George born 20/9/1904 Belper.
Thanks
Warwick

Mark..I have Joseph Skinner Presley marrying JANE DAVIS 1818 Whitwell..but I can't prove it..not having the Killamarsh or Whitwell records...but I am fairly confident in view of what you already have.
EDIT..if its indications you're looking for.....Jane Davis born Killamarsh 1798..mother Harriet.......submitted entry!!
Derek.

Hi Derek,

Do you have Whitwell / Killermarsh records?

I am trying to establish the correct maiden name of Jane Presley. She was married to a Joseph Skinner Presley. Born c1796-98 in Killermarsh and married 1816-1819. They lived in Whitwell, and between 1841 and 1861 Jane's mother was part of the household, her name being Margaret Davis born c1778 in Wales. Trees on ancestry seem to be divided on Jane's maiden name Jane Turton or Jane Davis, at the moment I have the latter.
Have you any records that point to one or the ohter. I have found a marriage between a Margaret Turton and a Andrew Davis in Derbyshire in 1801 but it is a submitted entry, so I am not sure how accurate ii is, any thoughts
Regards
Mark

Thank you for the confirmation on Daniel Malbon, the tree on Ancestry i have looked at is a public tree, but as you say very well documented and goes back to 980 AD, un fortunatly the owner hasn`t been on for over 12 months, so will use it as a guide and try to find some of the documentation listed.



Sylvia (in Oz)

Hi Derek,
Thank you for your time. The information was most helpful, as I couldn't find anything.

Julie

Thank you so much!

Right Marion,,at last we're getting somewhere..this stuff you can put on your |tree its correct and exact........

Background of RACHEL WINFIELD: starting with her GrandParents.

WILLIAM WINFIELD married MARY BEVERLEY at Melbourne Derbys 20.06.1814..

they had the following children:

WILLIAM baptised 30.01.05.1815
Jane 04.05.1818
Helen 10.08.1820
Samuel 18.06.1822
Henry 04.10.1824..Married Hannah Kent 18.10.1848
Maria 30.10.1827..buried 18.10.1843
all these at Radbourne.

WILLIAM WINFIELD 30.05.1815 married ANN HARRISON (one of the witnesses was his brother henry.above)

They had the following children at Radbourne..

Maria 31.03.1850
RACHEL 21.09.1851..married George Hallam
William 22.05.1853
Stephen 01.10.1854

enough for now...next instalment georgey porgey..

Derek.

Thank you Derek you have solved the mystery of the name Walklyn - I could not make out what it was on the census form.
I would love any other info you have on George - i have downloaded the census return for Rachel Winfield now from Radbourne which details her mother and father Ann and William Winfield -
Thanks very much for your tips..too - the hallam girls are of partiular interest to me and my sister. We also wish to go back on Alfred Allen Nix as well - we have heard stories of links to welsh pirates? ?Wales to Derby seems very far fetched to me!

Regards and thanks again for your time.