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hello derek

just to say thankyou for all the help and laughs you have given me

but the colour now on here hurts my eyes and i can not look at it very long

so i wish you all the best

sally w

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Hi Derek, I have now started back working on the AtherleyHatherley,Heathrly family I do wish they could make up their mind about the spelling .!!!!!. Any info is gratefully received as ever . xx

Hi Gooner..nice to hear from you again......you may remember i don't actually have the Repton PR's...and i have to go to Matlock records Office to get the actual information you need.......as with the dreaded Measham's !!!...but I am due a visit anyway..so bear with me......

At the moment i have the following:-

1881 census has Arthur as ATHERLEY..one of five children of Thomas and Elizabeth.......Thomas from Repton(1833) and Eliza(Elizabeth) from Overseal in leics....
Arthur is shown as born Winshill Burton on Trent......

but later census has him as HATHERLEY born Repton....same parents..same sister Matilda........but there is an ARTHUR ATHERLEY (born repton 1878) on the 1911 Census in a loony-bin in Mickleover!!!!........

I'll get back to you..

Derek.

Hi Derek, I hope all is well.

I have Arthur Atherley/ Hatherley born 1878 Repton. I cannot find marriage full marriage date only 1908 to Mildred Sarson maybe at St Wystans ? I also have no date for his baptism.

Thanks x

Hi Derek.........Hope all is well and you are enjoying the summer at last...Many thanks for your update. Really appreciate the time you are taking to help me out....

This Clark / Clarke thing is a bit of a mystery. Have confirmed William and Emma's marriage in 1844 by copy cert. Cert shows her father as Thomas CLARK without an E. Did find a record of a marriage for Emma's previous wedding to Thomas Stone in 1833 at Longford.....it said Emma CLARKE with an E of Sutton on the Hill. I know that names were sometimes spelt incorrectly but I am wondering if I have mixed up families here although I don't think so.

Emma and Williams son, also William (my GG father) was born 26 July 1844 his birth cert confirms mother as Emma Rutland formally Stone. Didn't waste any time did they..........! Do wish they wouldn't keep using the same names gets tooo complicated.........

I did consider when William (1818) left his estate to Thomas Clarke elder..... if it was Emmas father, what do you think. Is it possible or would he be too old?

Haven't been able to confirm death dates for either William or Emma, info I have was passed to me by the descendants of the brother of William 1844 but dates somehow don't tie up although the census records are not accurate and they all show Emmas birth place as Stapenhill???????

Marsh Farm at Thurvaston Lane is interesting as both my Williams were agricultural labourers.

Derek..........could I ask another favour if you have the time. When you visit Matlock could you check for the marriages of Florence Rutland b.1892 and Hannah Ada Rutland b.1896, both children of William born 1844 and Mary Ann Gregson. They could be in Longford or possibly Burton. Its not too important so doesn't really matter if you cant.....am just trying to tie up a few loose ends.

Am eagerly looking forward to your findings. Thanks sooooo much for taking time out to look. Let me know if I can help with any more info or if you want copies of the certs I have.

Until later

Susan

:-D

Susan..there is a Marsh Farm at Thurvaston Lane Longford, if that is any good.....still working on your stuff...........I need to get a look at the |Longford Registers..an annoying gap in my resources.......off to matlock soon..promise!

Derek.

Thanks Sharon..always pleased to have contributions from you......yes i saw that one in 1739.....although she does not appear in the burials at Bakewell..I think its fair to assume she died in infancy, because it is the 1744 Jane that survived into adulthood.........but I am more than ready to be corrected.

Many thanks.

Derek.

hi derek
hope you are keeping well sorry to come in on your thread but found this on family search another jane hooson baptised 14 11 1739 at bakewell to joseph and anne
sharon

Now that is an odd one............ I felt sure that Thomas must have been Emma's brother !!

Emma Clark, later Stone and then Rutland died 25 Sept 1876 and is buried in Longford Churchyard. After her death, the 1881 census shows William Rutland living with a Thomas Clarke and his family at Longford. It also lists William as "father" although why this would be the case I don't know. Census shows Thomas being born about 1832 in Stapenhill............and strangely enough they are living next door to a family called Stone.

When William passed away in 1887 he left his estate to "Thomas Clarke the Elder Labourer of Longford Marsh"

This is now where I need your local knowledge. The inscription on William and Emma's headstone shows them as being from Thurvaston Marsh, I believed this was a part of Longford.......is this correct ?

Am even more miffed now.............and wondering if I have confused 2 different families along the line .....any help or advice would be really appreciated. Sorry to be a pain........

Susan :-S

EDIT: Derek cant confirm Emma's birth date to help as different dates according to census anything from 1800 onwards. Marriage cert says of full age........a lot of help !!

Susan...Emma Clark was not born at Stapenhill..nor is there a Thomas..the nearest i can get is Emma Clark 28.01.1810 All Saints Derby daughter of Elizabeth...........(I do have the full Stapenhill Parish records.

Derek.

Hi Derek.........Another quick one for you if you could.

Emma Clark born 1811 in Stapenhill ? married Thomas Stone in 1833 at Longford. Thomas died sometime between 1833 and 1841 leaving her with 2 boys, Joseph and John, one of the sons had a daughter Emma Stone born Ticknall in 1857

Emma Clark (Stone) went on to marry William Rutland in 1844 at Longford.

Could you check to see if Emma Clark had a brother Thomas and perhaps find the name of their mother? Emma's Father was Thomas Clark (name taken from copy marriage cert)

Emma's widowed husband William was living with a Thomas Clarke (Different spelling) his wife Eliza and their children at Cronk Hill, Longford. in 1881. Is this her brother ?

Will leave you in peace now ........Have a good evening

Susan

Thanks for looking Derek...........Didn't see the one for Lincolnshire in 1844.
Was looking for those in the Derbyshire / Staffordshire area as most people didn't move too far from their birth place ..............mind you this William may be the exception !
Was looking for records which would give a reasonable age if he was born 1764..........but cant tell birth date on earlier records

Have now found another death registered Burton 1859 which would fit with Sutton..........he would be 95years old. Not unheard of but I guess quite unusual for this era. In saying that the Rutlands are a pretty hardy
lot !! Might need to take a chance and order the cert.

Am quite reluctant to order the National Burial Index as I know not all areas are covered... in fact not all church records are up to date. My great grandfather was buried in St Johns Church, Horninglow, my father took me to where he thought his grave was but we couldn't find it and its not listed in the Church records. He later found a picture of the headstone which may help to identify the site but its for another day when I can get back to Burton......

Thanks again for looking
Susan

Susan.......Burials are always the most difficult part of any family history work....unless you have the appropriate Parish registers.
The National Burial Index can be very useful..but not all burial places are covered, although coverage is increasing year by year..and it costs £30.!!..unless you are lucky enough to hit anyone who already owns it!!
which doesn't include me.

Your death 1839 Derby is almost certainly a Civil registration and is Derby District rather than city of derby..and covers a very wide area.

I have a burial at St Alkmunds Derby for William Rutland 1839..but he was born 1834..so you can forget that one.......

Your William Rutland was baptised Osmaston by Ashbourne 22.11.1764 son of Walter......but as you say made his way via Longford to Sutton on the Hill........

If he died at Sutton, then the death would be registered in the Burton on Trent District. not the Derby Derby District.

I'd nee to go to Matlock Records \office to see the Sutton or longford PR's..which I'll do in the near future.....

.in the meantime I'll have a looksee elsewhere.

Derek.

PS..what makes you think 1839??? there is an 1844 in lincolnshire born 1766......

Thank you soooooo much Derek. As always you come up the the goods!!

Can I ask for one more ?
Am looking for a burial for William Rutland. Found 2 deaths ........Derby 1839 and Northampton in 1838 suspect its most probably Derby........William lived Longford 1806 but was married in Sutton on the Hill and born Osmaston by Ashbourne. His wife was Mary Bakewell

Now if I may I will pick your brains........Do you know if there are any easy ways to find burials........Can usually find the death records and quite often get copy certs but have no idea where burials have taken place.
In a different area I purchased cemetery cd but still can find them ..........this is getting so frustrating....HELP I need your expert advice

Susan

Serena....it might be that the possible Methodist link is what is causing the trouble.I don't have Non-conformist \records..so nect time I'm a matlock records office i'll see if i can find them.

Derek.

Hello Susan......

ANNE HOOSON baptised 24.09.1735 Bakewell daughter of JOSEPH HOOSON and ANNE nee NEWTON of Over Haddon.

Siblings:-

Joseph 16.04.1728
Ellen and George baptised 23.06.1731..doesn't necessarily mean they were twins..dates re baptisms not Births..unless I tell you otherwise.

Baptism for JANE HOOSON 12.08.1744..daughter of Joseph and Anne...looks like a long gap, but again we don't have her Birth date, so she could be any age at baptism..a common occurrence........

Or she may not be the same family..which I sort of reject becasue there are no other Joseph and Anne marriages or children.

JOSEPH HOOTON married ANNE NEWTON at Bakewell 03.04.1727

Anne Newton baptised 22.07.1704 daughter of George and Anne..
brother George baptised 03.06.1706
George Newton senior 12.11.1676 married Anne Carr 14.06.1701..at Bakewell, though both were from Over Haddon...

Loads of Newtons at Bakewell....George Newton baptised 12.11.1676 was the son of John and Alice...........

Keep it coming!!!

Derek.

Hi Derek

Wonder if you have a few minutes to spare could you confirm the parents of Anne Hooson for me?

Anne was born 1735 in Bakewell ? (or maybe Brailsford) and married Walter Rutland in 1762 at Brailsford. Any other details of siblings would be brilliant.

Thanks
Susan :-)

EDIT - one more quick one if I may Derek.
Would appreciate you looking for a burial for William Rutland. Found 2 deaths ........Derby 1839 and Northampton in 1838 suspect its most probably Derby........William lived Longford 1806 but was married in Sutton on the Hill and born Osmaston by Ashbourne. His wife was Mary.........Thanks Derek will leave you in peace now........ :-D

Hi Derek, Thank you for yor reply. I will try to give you all i have found

Maria Sison married 1877 to Henry Atkinson in Basford,Nottingham
on the marriage record she lists her father as Edwin, coal miner.
It was not until i found Maria's will that the family discovered her name was Hannah Maria [died 1940]
Maria's daughter Nellie is listed on 1911 census as Ellen Atkinson with her aunt Betsy Murden [ nee Syson ]at 16 Lime St, Ilkeston. The spellings change on all census details !!

Betsy's parents are Abraham Syson and Hannah Farnsworth

Hannah Farnsworth had a sister Frances who married William White their daughter Fanny married Thomas Atkinson [ brother to Henry ]

I have found on 1871 census an Elizabeth Sisson b 1856 lodging at 43 Awsworth Rd, Ilkeston along with Marina [ ?? Maria] Sisson b 1858
I have looked at many records but just cann't find any links to the family. If i could find a birth record or christening it may help. The records for Abraham and Hannah seem to indicate they were methodists

Any thing you think might help me however small would be greatly appreciated as i just keep hitting dead ends. Another set of eye's might confirm what i suspect ,that Maria gave an incorect name for her father and as she was iliterate she wouldn't know what was written !

Sorry if there is a lot of info
THANK YOU
Serena

Hello Serena..sorry not to have been in touch..many things have got in the way!!

Problem is that we have a variety of spellings..Sisson Sison Syson to name just three..the ilkeston lot appear to be Sisson..or Syson.....I have no idea what to chase up.
There is Maria Syson on the 1861 census aged 2..but the parents are not as you say.

Have you any idea of any siblings?? who did she marry?..any little possible link to her?

Derek.

Hi Derek, i contacted you in March [page 80] regarding the Sison famly from Ilkeston
I haven't heard from you and wondered if like me you had found nothing?

Hannah Maria Sison b 1858 , known as Maria . father listed on marriage as Edwin but the research i have done makes me think his name was Abraham
Any ideas on how to find her before marriage in 1877 would be greatly recieved

Thanks
Serena