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Well..I bow to your better sources.......clearly..Henry 1839 Repton son of William and Elizabeth found his way to London at some point and decided to call himself Robert.........what date was this?????

There is a marriage record for them on Ancestry.They were married in Marylebone London. Fathers given name is William . The person I am talking to is a direct descendant through their daughter Louise Measham.

Hi LA..........now then.....I'm not surprised that your correspondent can't trace him........he simply does not exist........here are your options..and they re the only options......

Robert George Measham 22.07.1839 son of Robert and Hannah

Henry Measham 15.07.1838 son of William and Elizabeth (nee Wooton)

both at Repton.....

There is another Henry 1842..and one earlier............all of these births are registered at Burton on Trent District..which means Repton rather than Derby...backed up by, in the first two cases...Repton PR's.

The only way this guy can exist is if he did have a Robert as a middle name..but this would usually show up in PR's or on the birth certificate..which it doesn't..........there is simply no Henry Robert..or Robert Henry anywhere in derbyshire at that date...

........or his birth was not registered or he was not baptised...which is frankly ludicrous.
The only Measham born in Derby in or around 1839 was the 4year old in Derby....but I was wrong there because i was looking at the 1851..not the 1841....so he was born 1847 not 1837....

I can't even find Robert and Sarah Cooper...their marriage..but i will....I'm getting annoyed !!....yu say there is a marriage certifcate..it should give date and place of registration AND both sets of Fathers.......that would solve it...
Derek ;-) ;-)

Derek do you think you can try and find this fella as the person I have been in contact with can't seem to trace him.

Henry Robert Measham b 1838 Derby.

Thank you.
EDIT. both of us have now come to the conclusion that he may be the son of William(b 1805) and Elizabeth Wootton. On his marriage certificate to Sarah Cooper he calls himself Robert (second name?) Any chance of checking this out please as I would be interested in that one too as I have William and Elizabeth on my tree

Thanks Derek, this is a good warning to anyone who believes information passed to you is correct without checking it out. I will now get back to this person and see if they actually believe me. If they don't it will be their tree that is wrong and not mine.

A bottle of the best Whisky waiting for you in Nutlodge ;-) :-D

Hi my faithful follower Sally..thanks for the thought xx

hello derek

i am sending you a crate of whisky

i can see you will be needing it :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

sally w <3

Hello Tony..have been wrestling with this one.....and not doing too well..

1..)...There appears to be no Ann Kendall born around the time (1816ish) to Richard and Susannah........ have all their other children..but Ann

2..) I cannot find a marriage for George Banton to Ann Kendall......

That's the bad news.......now...........if you look carefully on the censuses you will see that Ann wife of George Banton came from Leicestershire...Ashby de la Zouch.........so it would be common practice to marry in the bride's Parish..then put her on the back of your horse..and carry her off to your own parish..i.e. Ticknall in order to have your wicked way with her.........but no sign of such a marriage............There is a marriage 1839 for George Banton..but not to Ann Kendall........

You say that Ann's parents were Richard and Susannah.......ok..here are their children..taken directly from Ashby PR's..

Sarah 29.07.1814
Richard 02.04.1816
John 29.04.1821..died 1829
Thomas 13.05.1822
William 04.09.1826 died 1827.............no sin of Ann.......

But we do know that GEORGE BANTON ws baptised 24.11.1816 at Ticknall son of George ad Ann...........ad that the 1841 Census appears to show them all together......BUT George and Ann presumably his wife are both shown s born 1821...not in itself a problem becasue the early census returns were inaccurate in terms of ages due to rounding up or down by as much as five years.....BUT.....there are no relationships on 1841 censuses and Ann(1821) is shown as "born in county"..which she wasn't unless all the children are the brood of Feorge and Ann senior........there is Eliza the baby yes..but there is also another baby.........

Just to confuse you further........George Banton 1816 Ticknall...marriied Charlotte Mason in 1839..and Charlotte was born in county...........

...having said all that..the 1861 census has Susannah Banton aged 17..no sign of Eliza or Fanny by the way........living with her parents George Banton of Ticknall and Ann Banton of Ashby..and with SUSANNAH KENDALL mother in law.aged 74.............

.....I'mstill working on this..but what we have here begs a question.......if you cannot fnd a marriage between George Banton and Ann Kendall......where did you get your information that such a marriage took place????????

EDIT 22.30 Thursday..hve just found this:-..RICHARD KENDALL married SUSANNAH YATES at Melbourne Derbyshire 26.12.1810........where that leaves us don't know except that Melbourne is the general are of Ticknall...and only justover the border from Ashby......

Derek

Hi Derek,
I'm trying to find the marriage of George Banton and Ann Kendall, they had a child Eliza in 1841, Susannah in 1844 and Fanny in 1846.
I'm fairly sure they were living with his parents George and Ann along with daughter Eliza aged 10 months according to the 1841 census of Ticknall.
However try as I may I can find no trace of a marriage which I would imagine should appear in records from 1837 onwards,and as they were both born circa 1816/1818.
I imagine they would be too young to predate 1837.
Ann's parents were Richard and Susannah formerly Yates.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards Tony

Hi Gooner...........I think you're right to reject it..there is no such guy...amy number of henry's and/or robert's............The nearest can get is Robert Measham 1847 Derby....a lodger aged 4!!..there must have been something very odd gong on (even for the measham's!!) for him to have any relationship to William and Mary....which begs the question as to why any child is a lodger at the age of Four.....the obvious call is an illegitimate child who's mother died in or shortly after childbirth..or a foundling.........but certainly not the child of William and Mary...if only because Elizabeth was baptised 01.06.1849 at Repton'' so unless she was a late baptism...another child born 1849 appears biologically impossible.


Derek

Hello again Derek. Just need a litle confirmation here. Sorry it's the dreaded Meashams again.

Right for definate I have William 1824 who married Mary Atherley. I have quite a few kids for them but have had contact from another member who reckons they had a son Henry Robert born 1849 Derby. I don't think this is correct because I can't find one one 1841 for him and also all the other kids are born in Repton.

Thank you

Night night Derek and thank you again . More for you tomorrow methinks :-D

butchers...............night night xx

:-D :-D :-D. Thats nothing unusual in this family is it, that and dirty old men ;-)

William Measham baptised 02.11.1823 Repton..mother Elizabeth Measham....and you know what that means!!!! naughties!!

Derek

Ok here we go again. William 1824 who married Mary Atherley any idea of his parent's names. That should keep you busy ;-)

ooooh you devil you. :-D

..and just to pre-empt you..lol........I don't think the other three girls of William and Mary (nee Atherly) actually got married..unles Elizabeth married at Brailsford 1870.....(Alice is actually Allise..much nicer name!!)

baptisms.............Elizabeth 01.09.1849.....Hannah Jane 21.05.1851..Sarah 07.10.1860.......all of William and Mary.

Derek xx

Thanks Derek, this part of the family seem to be a lot easier to sort indeed, but lets not speak too soon ;-). I am just trying to fill some gaps and confirm my findings hence the easy queries :-D :-D :-D

jeez.......I thought your Meashams were difficult???this is sooooooooooooo boringly easy... ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

Thomas Chadderton baptised Marston on Dove 21.03.1847 son of William and Mary....

and...

Alice Mary Measham baptised Repton 07.02.1847 daughter of William and Mary....
..were married at Repton 30,03.1866...........