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Anne.....Your most recent worries about the Ridgard/Kidger dilemna..are solved by the fact that JOHN KIDGER married the widow ANN RIDGARD in Shardlow Registration district OND 1863.............

Derek.

Hi Derek,

Yep I have the same children for Charlotte and George, and the same parents for George. The Braddow family were a large family in the area so there are lots of names in the records but I found that trying to work out who was a sibling and who was a cousin etc was a mammoth task! In complete contrast I could find nothing at all about Charlotte Bancroft's family of origin. (I did come across a Frances Bancroft ('aged 61 and infirm') claiming for poor relief from the Board of Guardians in1837 - she was from West Hallam and was on the same list as George and Ann Braddow).

Can't wait to hear from you - having help like this is brilliant!

Many thanks,

Anne :-)

Hi again Anne..just to follow up up my previous findings on the Braddow connection..and,I believe, to re-inforce them...somebody at some point decided that it was ANN that married John Ridgard..and because you found that Ann Braddow had died then the Braddow connection was invalid.....well we now know that he married Amelia..who became Amey and Amy.......

..here is news that will put your mind completely at rest..I hope!

The children of GEORGE BRADDOW and CHARLOTTE nee BANCROFT were as follows:-

Kezia baptised 18.04.1803
AMELIA baptised 19.02.1804
Elizabeth and ANN baptised together 21.10.1810.....all these at West Hallam

You say you have lost your Braddow/Bancroft stuff?..I bet i can find it again for you !!........that is if I am correct in believing that George Braddow came from Stanley.(next village to West Hallam where he married Charlotte bancroft 14.05.1801)..and \i suggest he was baptised at Stanley 09.01.1775 son of Edward and Sarah..and probably Charlotte came from West Hallam..you might let me know whether I am right before i proceed along these lines...........
I'll also try and sort out your Ridgards..becasue the other Ridgard..whichever..married a Mary and ended up in Lancashire.....

more later.

Derek.

Hi Derek,

Wow - that is fantastic! Thank you so much. I would never have worked all that out myself. Amelia!! I thought it must have been Ann as her daughter was named Ann too. Now I am fed up as I threw away my printed Bancroft/Braddow stuff - although the scribbled info should still be in my notebooks so I will have to dig them out. Mind you it means that my trip to Charlotte's grave was valid as she WAS my 4x great granny after all!

And the witness at the wedding being Elizabeth at least gives me another avenue to pursue for John - which is great! Were there any other witnesses?

The Ridgard strand of my tree has been a pain right from the start of my researching my families. Would it possible for you to look up John and Amelia's grandson - Frederick William Ridgard born 1859 in Kirk Langley?

The info I have on him is:

His mother – Ann Ridgard - registered his birth in June 1859 at Belper.

According to his marriage records his father was William Ridgard

So his grandparents were Amy Bradden and John Ridgard married Oct 1830 KL.

1841 census – Amy & John Ridgard were living in KL with their son
William (born 1831). John was a farm labourer.

1851 census – John & their son William (b1831) were working away
from home on a farm.

1851 census – Amy was living in KL with their daughters Elizabeth
(b1835) and Ann (b1839).

1861 census – FW was one year old and living with his grandma
Amy Ridgard.

1861 census – Ann Ridgard was working as a general
servant at a solicitors in Derby.

1871 census – FW was living with John and Ann Kidger (nee Ridgard
and born in KL) in St Mary's Gate, Derby. He is now
called William Kidger and is down as their son.

1891 census – FW is still living with John and Ann Kidger in Bold
Lane. But now he is classed as their lodger! And is
also down as just William Ridgard.

1901 census – FW has married Harriet Bailey and is now called
Frederick again and has 4 surviving children: Bertha
Anne, Fred W Garnum, John Neville and Isabelle Ennis.
(Jessie and Blanche had died).

1911 census – FW changed his name again and is called William
Kidger AND the whole family is now named Kidger!

So I am a bit confused to say the least! His father is certainly William Ridgard, and his mother is Ann Ridgard. But I don't know who she is. The Ann Ridgard who married John Kidger can't be FW's mother unless she was 13 years old when she had him?! And it appears that William only married an Harriet not an Ann? I do not know how they all link up. Or why the changes of name. My family were always Ridgard, I had never heard of the name Kidger and don't how John Kidger fits in to the picture.

I am really grateful for your help as I have been completely stuck on this lot for years!

Anne :-)

PS It has really tickled me that your Mother is apparently buried in 3 states in the USA when really she is safely tucked up in Bristol! :-D

Hello Anne........very interesting!! particularly as I have found some stuff independently of other replies posted on your Thread..and i think it might be well worth your while reconsidering your thoughts on the BEDDOW connection. I tend to stay away from Ancestry Trees because of their inaccuracy and often downright dishonerty..(My own mother is apparently buried in three different USA States when in fact I buried her in Bristol Uk!!)..and indeed I have not been anywhere Ancestry on this occasion.........Ok..firstly the marriage....

Direct from Kirk Langley Parish records:- JOHN RIDGARD married AMEY BRADDER at KL 28.10.1830.............They apparently had three children..I say apparently because i am so pedantic!!............WILLIAM baptised son of John and AMY 15.07.1831........Ann and Elizabeth baptised 05.01.1840 daughters of John and ANNIE..this gives no indication of their birthdates..and was a common practice.
I don't think you should be too worried about the anomalies of spelling or Amey or Annie...........again a very common occurrence............but your ears will prick up when you realise that AMEY/ANNIE is in fact AMELIA........or could be if you return to the BRADDOW scenario..........and since there were no BRADDENS or BRADDERS at West Hallam..I think it is likely to be a reasonable bet..........Just say Braddow when you've had a few drinks..or when you're standing on someone doorstep with frozen lips taking a census!!

AMELIA BRADDOW was baptised at West Hallam 19.02.1804..the daughter of George Braddow and Charlotte nee Bancroft..who married at West Hallam 14.05.1801..........
..what you say about early deaths is valid..but this is Amelia..not Ann....

As for which JOHN RIDGARD is yours could be difficult..

John Ridgard 21.06.1807 son of Joseph and Elizabeth
John Ridgard 03.07.1808 son of John and Maria................

.......so thought I'd be clever and look again at the witnesses of his marriage to Amey BRADDER(OW),,,,,,,,there is one Elizabeth Ridgard..excellent..so his mother was a witness..........

.....until you check other possibilities and find that John son of John and Maria..had a sister Elizabeth 02.02.1801..oh joy!!.......which means that either John would do. with either a mother or a sister as witness.......
I'll go look at the Ancestry tree and see if i can pull iy apart!!!

Let me know what you think.

Derek.

Hello Derek,

I have posted a request for information on the 'find ancestors' board and Gins kindly replied and said that it might be an idea to ask you about it? I am new here and hadn't seen your thread before. I am trying to find out about Anny Bradden (sometimes called Ann or Ama in the census returns) born 1810 in West Hallam. I know that she married John Ridgard on 28th October 1830 in Kirk Langley, Derbyshire. She had 3 children - William, Elizabeth and Ann. And she appeared in all of the census' up to 1891 when she died in Kirk Langley. But I cannot find out anything about her life before she married John and I would love to know about her family of origin.

I don't know anything about her husband either as there are 2 John Ridgards born circa 1808 in Kirk Langley and I don't know which is mine!

I would be very grateful for any information that you could find.

Kind regards,

Anne.

PS She isn't Ann Braddow - daughter of Charlotte Bancroft and George Braddow. I found that out to my cost after spending ages following the Braddow line! :-(

Thank you Derek......Glad to hear you are feeling better. Sorry you cant manage the cricket yet......still a few more weeks for the new season !

Really appreciate the time you have taken to find my Cashmores.........I dont know anything about this branch of the family so trying to work backwards from John born 1797.

Anything you could find about the Oakthorpe Cashmores would be wonderful.

Until later
Susan

EDIT - 11 March. Derek whilst looking for my Cashmores I found a marriage at Lichfield for William and Elizabeth Thompson in 1797. Suspect these could be the family "matriarchs" I am looking for. William is from Barton under Needwood. Could you look and see if any other Cashmores there.........could just be employed in Barton.

Thanks :-D

Hi Derek

Thank you for looking for the elusive George Henry ..... I may have to get the death cert for the 1890 death that you mentioned as I cannot find him anywhere either ....

I too saw that Rose disappeared by the 1901 census and I haven't been able to locate her on the 1911 census either ..... I was wondering if she may have remarried (either legally or by stealth) and therefore is under her "husbands" name ..... :-S

Either way it's a difficult one for both of them ..... and I'm stuck !

Barbara

Hi Derek,

Thank you for looking anyway. I didn't know that Major was German (as I'm sure you know my married name is a German name). That Ursula Major could be her it ties in with her age when she died.

Thanks again

Wendy

Hi Barbara....well then..bad news is I have searched high and low for MR HARDY...and apart from a possible death in Derby (George Hardy born 1866) in 1890..there is no sign..and that includes a very long perusal of Outgoing passenger Lists........I suppose he could be in the prison..but then he ould still be on the Census.....

Good news is that Rose Hannah and her two children did not go in the Workhouse..or at least if they did they were all safe and sound with her parents Frederick and Dorcas Mansfield..and several of her siblings in 1891..at 183 Siddals Road. Saint Peter's Derby........In 1901 the two children May and frederick are still with their grand-father frederick..but Rose hannah has disappeared.............I'm on her trail...!!

Your thoughts would be interesting!


Derek.

Hi Derek

Good to hear that you are on the mend. Would you mind having a look for the following for me please?

George Henry HARDY bn abt 1865 possibly Ahsnourne or Derby (??), christened 26th Feb 1865 St Werberghs Derby

married Rosanna (Rose Hannah or Rose Anna) MANSFIELD (bn Woolwich, Kent) 24th Dec 1887 St Werberghs, Derby

Children - May bn 1888 Derby and Frederick Lionel bn 1st Jan 1890 reg'd Belper District JFM qtr 1890

Rosanna and May seem to have entered the Workhouse at Markeaton prior to Frederick's birth.

My problem is tracing George Henry after the marriage in 1887 - he seems to have disappeared in a puff of pink smoke! I have looked at BMD, IGI, An******y and also passenger lists as there is a family rumour that he emigrated to Australia to work on the railways and died after losing a leg in an accident there. Another variation is that he went to NZ to work on the railways and lost both legs ..... as you can see I don't seem to have a leg to stand on with this one ....

:-D :-D :-D

Any info gratefully received !!

Thank you

Barbara

Hello again Susan.....I'm doing ok thank you...but it will be a while before i'm back playing cricket!! if at all.

Ok..you need to be looking at anywhere in the Stretton en le field,Oakthorpe. Donisthorpe, Measham or Church Gresley area..all close to Ashby..and in either leicestershire or Derbyshire!!!..apart from that its simple!!

Stretton en le Field is essentially in Leciestershire..but across the raod..Oakthorpe is in Derbsyhire..where most of your later Cashmores were....
Your children were baptised at Stretton..children of William and Elizabeth,

Baptism dates as follows:-

Sarah 03.0.802
Richard 22.-1.1804
William 05.12.1805
Mary 22.07.1810
Phillis 05.07.1812
James 02.07.1815

Hannah 10.10.1799 married Thomas Topley 13.10.1823...

more later as I find it.

Derek.

HI Derek....Hope all is well and you have now made a full recovery.

Don't know if Stretton (or Stretton en le field) is in your "patch" ........but if it is could you check for some baptisms and marriages for me ?

Am looking for information on children of William Cashmore and his wife Elizabeth.......possibly Hannah, Sarah, William, Phyliss, Mary and James.

Eldest son John born c1797 baptised Ashby......suspect family settled in Oakthorpe by 1798.

Any additional information about the parents would also be really helpful.

Thanks
Susan :-)

Hello Wendy,,I can't find her in Notts or Derbys..........but you hit me with a long shot....how about this for a long shot....born Germany 1747???????...noreason at all to think it is, but it is the ONLY Ursula Mayor I can find..and it is a German name..that is apart from the baptism of her son John (Major) Newark 25.09.1786.....

Derek.

Hi Derek,

I think this is a long shot but could you check for a christening for a Ursula Major between 1740 and 1770, she had a son in 1786 in Newark and may have married a Solomon Burton in St Mary's Nottingham ( I have yet to look at this marriage) and may be the Ursula Burton buried 13 Dec 1833 St Alkmunds Church Derbyshire or it may be 3 different Ursula's but I cannot find birth or death for her in Nottinghamshire.

Wendy

Hi Derek,

Joseph Stanley married Frances Neal on 1.5.1701 at Dalbury Lees. By the time their 1st child was born the following February they were living in Kirkby-in-Ashfield.
I have a copy of his will written in 1728 -Joseph died in 1735. He was a husbandman. He had the following children:- William 1701, Robert 1703, Margaret 1704-1708, Frances 1706, Joanna 1707, Elizabeth 1708, Joseph 1710, Thomas 1713, (who died), William Dixie 1716 & Thomas 1724- who also died, They were all baptized at either Kirkby or Pinxton. I am puzzled that he called 2 sons William-distinguishing the two by calling the 2nd one William Dixie. I have tried searching for a connection to anyone called Dixie but to no avail. I originally found the marriage on the IGI but it seems to have disappeared off of that site, but it is on Freereg.- Thanks for checking for a settlement cert- I can't think what else to try,
Maureen

Maureen..no apparent removal or settlement orders for Joseph Stanley.

To be honest i can't even find a marriage for him..1701 at either Dalbury or Trusley........who did he marry..and have you any children for him??

Derek.

Hello Derek,

I wonder if, on your next visit to Matlock, you would mind checking to see if there is a settlement certificate for the elusive Joseph Stanley. If, as I suspect, he came from elsewhere, there just might be (with a bit of luck!)
Thanks again

Maureen

Hello Pat......well Josiah Windle was born in Derbyshire, but at this moment i cannot find him........

You say that you have found the family of Dorothy Windle..who allegedly married Josiah Windle??????..............mmmmmmm..you may be wrong....because JOSIAH WINDLE married SARAH BA(D)GELEY at Beeley 13.04.1807.........she appears to have been born at Beeley 25.08.1782..daughter of Thomas and Dorothy.........

The Parish records say Sarah..but are not always totally reliable..so i double checked..and Josiah is actually on the 1841 census at Beeley..an Agricultural labourer born Derbyshire c 1786..married to SARAH with five children:-
Thomas baptised 20.03.1808
Mary baptised 15.04.1810
John baptised 02.05.1813
Elizabeth baptised 09.07.1815
Josiah baptised 22.04.1818..who married a Mary and is well documented later..

Josiah Windle was buried at beeley 24.07.1845..and Sarah Windle..widow of Josiah buried at beeley 14.07.1846...which probably explains why there is so little information about him.

Hope this helps..I would be interested to know where you got Dorothy Bageley from....in the mean time I'll try and find Josiah senior.

Derek.

Thanks Derek,

As I suspected-not from that area! The Joseph born in Derby married a Deborah Barker & was having children after 1700 so that eliminates him! I have wondered if he was from over the border in Staffordshire which isn't too far away. The other Joseph, as you say, would have been too old - especially as my Joseph died in 1735!
Ah well, don't know where else to search for this elusive ancestor!

Thanks again--Maureen