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Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.....don't know about this one.....bear with me....

We have a marriage at Derby 1887 for Edwin Richardson to LOUISA HAYWOOD......but its not as simple as that, because of the following:-

1881 Census...Edwin Richardson single..a plumber..is lodging with his sister Caroline and her husband John Bale..who she married JAS 1878

1881 Derby Civil Registration of Births..OND 1881 birth of WILLIAM RICHARDSON.

This same William Richardson is shown on the 1891 and 1901 as son to Edwin and Louisa..along with Lillian born 1889

The 1911 Census says they only had one child together!!..and why is louisa suddenly and for the first time Louisa Agusta???

So who did Louisa have the child William with???

Either Louisa and Edwin had a long term relationship before marrying in 1887..or Louisa was previously married...but then why is William born 1881 registered...IN 1881! as a Richardson

There is only one Louisa Augusta married in derby 1880 -ish and that is a

Stevens..and not married to Richardson. I have failed to find an appropriate Louisa haywood prior to 1881

Have been trying to get a clue from Frederick Guest born 1897..who is on both 1901 and 1911 as a nephew....but I doubt this is any good, becasue the "nephew" would be a relationship with the head of household..and Edwin only had one sister..and she married a Bale..not a Guest.

The Birth Certificate for William Richardson would be very interesting..and would reveal the surname of the mother.....

Derek



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Another one for you please. Edwin Richardson 1860 married Louisa Augustus ??? approx. 1881

Thank you Derek. I will be back with some more of this family methinks. :-D

Hello LA..your wish is my command.............

EDWIN RICHARDSON married HARRIET BENTLEY..both of Derby last qtr 1853

first two children..Caroline 1857 and Edwin 1860

Derek

Good evening Derek. Can you please take a look at Derby marriages for me and see if you can find the surname of Harriet who married Edwin Richardson approx. 1856. Thanks.

Hello Lorraine..yes ..please PM me.

Derek

Derby Mercury-Wednesday 10 November 1897

Waldron— On October 23, Henry Charles Waldron, 33. Colvllle Street, aged 28 years

Derby Mercury- Wednesday 10 November 1897

Tho committee have granted to the widow of the late Police-constable Henry Waldron, who served in the force for six years, a gratuity of £36 8s. (being one month's pay for eaoh completed year of service) under the Police Act,

Derby Daily Telegraph-Thursday 14 January 1937DUFFIELD

FUNERAL The funeral of Mr. James Patrick Waldron (63), of Eaton Bank, Outfield, took place at Little Eaton Church yesterday. The Rev. A. Baldwin officiated. Mr. Waldron had been missing from home since November 27 last year, and his body was recovered from the River Derwent at Allestree on Saturday. Mourners were: The widow, Mr. VV. Waldron (son). Mr. and Mrs. Lambley (son-in-law and daughter), Mr. Frank Waldron, of Beckenham, Kent (brother) and Mrs. Pierce, of Hereford (sister).

Two questions here please, 1st do you know if i could find out anything from the Derbyshire Police re Henrys death?

And 2nd Could anyone find me a marriage for the Mrs Pierce in the above notice, maiden name WALDRON.

hi me again been looking at the info i have and now i am confused

i have a letter and info that was written in 1887
could i pm you then i cant tell you whats in the letter and the other info

take care lorraine

hi derek
john and elizabeth moved to mansfield and had children there
the names of john selbys parents i got from a tree on ancestry
but have not done anymore as i didnt know weather this was right or not
take care
lorraine

Hello Lorraine...we have established that John Selby of SkegbyNotts..went across to North Wingfield to marry Elizabeth Hibberd..in her own Parish..very common occurrence.......BUT they had no children at North Wingfield..which means that he stuck her on the back of his horse and took her off somewhere else to have his wicked way with her..............so why not back to Skegby, from whence he came..a very common occurrence........just an idea ,you understand, becasue JOHN and ELIZABETH SELBY had the following children at Skegby:-

Efsheba 18.12.1779
Ann 06.04.1783
Mary 22.05.1785..all born at Skegby in the few years after John and Elizabeth married.................which at the very least needs some examination!!...there is no other marriage for John Selby to an Elizabeth..........

Derek.

hi derek
have just found the marriage cert for john selby and elizabeth hibberd
married in wigfield derby
and it says john selby of skegby
and they married in the presence of sarah marshall and geo wilmot

got all the dates of john and elizabeths children too
a lady who is also doing the selbys gave me copies of what she had

thomas selby who was born 1789 son of john and elizabeth
married and had a son thomas william selby who started looking at his [family tree ]around 1887

take care
lorraine

Lorraine..you're confusing me a bit...you don't query my findings yet you said that Elizabeth's parents were Charles and Mary..and that John Selby was from Horsley...............now you say that i am right and that you already have all the info...........

I have three female children for a John and Elizabeth Selby at Skegby..Ann, Efsheba and Mary..are these the ones you've got?

I've found Syndonia's marriage 07.02.1811 St Mary's Nottingham hang apparently been born in 1789.......

Derek.

hi derek
the findings you have posted are correct
have all the children for john and elizabeth even have the marriage info for john and elizabeth

but saying that they had a daughter syndonia who married jonathan woodward in notts a long time ago a lady posted that she had found a death of syndonia woodward [but misplaced the info she gave me but i am sure it was before the 1841 census [i am going now to search all my notes to see if i can come across it ]
take care
lorraine

Hello Trouble!!......Before I go any further i would ask you to check your facts, because they conflict with my findings......

I suggest that..ELIZABETH HIBBERD baptised 22.09.1756 daughter of George and Mary at North Wingfield...........

........married JOHN SELBY at North Wingfield 09.09.1777

The marriage entry says that John Selby came from Skegby..which is Notts....

I await your reaction to this before going any further..although i will check out the Skegby it..

Derek.

coooeeee derek its me again
changing from the litherland family to the selby family who came from debyshire
i cant remember weather i have asked before about this family

i have a elizabeth hibbert born 1754 derbyshire parents charles and mary
elizabeth married john selby born 1754 in horsley [i think ]
trying to find out if elizabeth had any siblings and if her parents were born there

thank you
lorraine

I am hoping to be able to find out who the parents of HOWARD Charles WALDRON are. Born Dec 1892 Derbyshire. 1901 census he is living with grandparents Patrick and Elizabeth Waldron.
I know of his marriage and death.
Also a possible relation of his- HENRY Charles Waldron married Catherine Weir in Swansea in 1891 Henry died Dec 1897 Derbyshire but i can find no record of his wife Catherine death?
I can also find nothing about where Florence (their daughter) also born 1891 has vanished too? She was with the same grandparents in 1911 census.
Any leads please?

Thank you for looking Derek, that William Shipley death in 1862 was in Belper.

I have Dinah/Diana Shipley`s 1838 death cert it says she is a widow and the William Shipley - Alice Green Marriage cert 29 Sept 1853 St Alkmund`s church, unfortunately it only tells me the father was William Shipley, a frame work knitter. It does not say deceased for both William Shipley or Alice`s father Francis Green, I do know Francis Green was buried 24 Mar 1836 Darley Abbey (thanks to both you and Meercat)

Sylvia (in Oz)

Hello Sylvia........nice to hear from you again..........but I don't think I can help you very much

The 1834 death does not give the age of the deceased, and since it is three years before Death Certificates, there are no details registered.

I have found the marriage to Dinah/Diana 01.11.1824..and her death 24.02.1838.

According to what appears to be a reasonably well-researched Tree on Ancestry..I have details for Sarah 1827-1896..and William 1829-1910........who are children of William and Dinah..........BUT they have William Shipley born 1806..died JFM 1862............but I cannot find a death for William Shipley 1862.......

So I'm afraid it's one of those very difficult one's that appear to be done and dusted.before censuses 1841..and before Civil registration 1837

One clue might be to have a look at a Marriage Cert. for William b 1829..and if he married before 1862, and his father is "William Shipley deceased"..then we know the 1862 date is wrong.
EDIT.......William Shipley married Alice Green 1852 Derby.....so that might be a valuable Mariage Certificate to have!! his father should be deceased....if he isn't then his death in 1862 is correct.

Derek.

Hi Derek,

Hope you are keeping well and can help me with an age at burial.

I have from Family Search a William Shipley buried 10 Aug 1834 St Alkmund`s church Derby.

I am hopeing this is my 2x great grandfather, born 30 Jan 1806, baptised 10 Feb 1806, Independent Belper and Heage

Williams wife died 1838 St Peters workhouse Derby, a widow.

1841 has son William (1830) in Osmaston Road workhouse and daughter Sarah(1827) living with her maternal grandfather in Darley Abbey.

So heres hopeing your records show an age for him and he`s mine.

Thank you for any help.

Sylvia (in Oz)

Hello Marilyn....ok......before we get too excited..I have given you accurate information about a certain ALBERT JOHN BUTCHER..and cast iron background about his Somerset Pedigree. In 1911 this person was unmarried and was an Architect's Assistant..This person also had a mother with the maiden name of BUTLER...........

Another FACT is that a certain ALBERT JOHN BUTCHER married a BUTLER..near Bath Somerset in 1923........

Same person?????......unproven.

You have an ALBERT JOHN BUTCHER marrying in Reading Berkshire 1920..who may have been born 1891.

Same person?????? actually unlikely, because, as you say, he had a child in 1923 with the wife he married in Reading............unless she was already pregnant when he left her, and went off back to Bath Somerset and married Bigamously......again..unlikely.......

so........as you say the Marriage certificate for the person you say is YOUR Albert John Butcher..will give his father and his occupation.......

..all this of course depends on who decided we were looking for Albert JOHN Butcher..rather than Albert J Butcher or just plain old Albert Butcher!......
The marriage to Edith Pocock in 1920..is listed as Albert J Butcher......
I await your findings!

Derek.