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You really are very kind..........'thank you' seems inadequate.

I am a pedant by nature, but I was prepared to make an exception in this instance. However, I will be much happier if I can assign the boy to the correct mother...............I don't like loose ends.

J

Hello again Jacqui .before you assign Arthur to possibly the wrong mother you should wait till next week when I will be able to view the Birth Certificate..its never a good idea to approximate in this game........pedantry is a virtue!

And don't worry about the work load..I enjoy it, as many of my followers will tell you!......and I have a host of Notts records..............and those i don't have..I find.....

Thank you, Derek, for taking so much trouble, but please don't go any further with this. I misunderstood how much you had in the way of Notts records (my fault entirely)

As an FMP subscriber, I do have most of the info about the family, so I will just attach Arthur to one of the daughters (I said in my original request that I felt that he was the son of one of them)

As he had no issue, it won't be a disaster if I allocate him to the wrong girl

William W was certainly in prison in 1851, having married Kitty Smee in August 1849, and producing Sarah before being 'put away'.


Thank you again...................

Jacqui

PS The wrongdoing ran in the family........an elder brother was in gaol in Suffolk in 1851!

Jacqui..I need some idea of what you've got and what you ain't got......If I think I'm being very clever, and you've already got what I've found,,I'll be deflated!!!

So let's try this:-

I'm pretty sure that I have the right family from Cambridgeshire who moved to Sutton in Ashfield. Just as i'm sure that WILLIAM CLAYDON was baptised Wiliiam Warren Claydon at Kirtling Cambs 24.08.1828....son of Thomas and Mary....

I believe he married KITTY (Kate) SMEE in 1849......under the name of William Warren............

Now whether he was the William Claydon of Kirtling who was serving a Prison Sentence in 1851, is open to further investigation, but I DO know of THREE children born earlier than the Job and Charles of my first message.

These were.all baptised at Stetchworth Cambs......:-

Sarah Warren Claydon 26.05.1850
James Smee Claydon 15.08.1852
Mary Ann Claydon 20.08.1854................there is one Census I think the 1861 where he is called CLAYTON,,but it is definitely him, and I suspect that the parent of Arthur Edwin may well turn out to be one of the three above......my favourite right now would probably be an unmarried Sarah Warren.....because I think that Mary Ann got married.....

I would appreciate your response to this..and I'll keep digging....

EDIT 22.02 Friday........have just found Sarah Claydon (aged 11 months)on the 1851 living with mother (head of house..Married).....Kitty..but misread on the Census as HETTY!!...which more or less proves that William.husband of kitty was indeed in the Nick in 1851............as you will know, they are all back together again in 1861

Derek

Thank you Derek

There is no urgency, and I'll be delighted with any little snippets, although Arthur's parental info is my main concern.

Jacqui

ps. My tree is not on GR

Hello Jacqui.........I should be able to get the Birth details for you..but probably not till next week..a trip to Notts archives is overdue.
It would be a pity if all we get is an unmarried mother, because my intiial work has proved to be very interesting..........He is not on the 1890 Census as far as i can see..but, as you know, he is on the 1881 as a Grandson of William and Kate (Kitty).

The other two on the 1881 are Charles 1860 and George 1863..one of which you might expect to be a father for Arthur..but of course they are too young.....

The family is from Cambridgeshire..and i have looked at earlier records for the other children of William and Kate..........and there are plenty of them including a JAMES.

He interests me because there is a tree on Ancestry that gives parents for Arthur Edwin as being JAMES CLAYDON and SARAH.........which is unsourced, and as with a lot of the nonsense on some of these Trees is unsubstantiated.
However..there is enough background..i.e Grandparents, to make it a possibility....and i am busy right now trying to eliminate it!!...........one of the tricks of the trade....if you cannot prove it wrong, you're still in business, but it don't make it right!!

So right now I am looking at William's siblings..as well as James' to see what clues there might be.

They appear to be Shoemakers....from Cambridgeshire........William was a prisoner in 1851!..but then married kate (Kitty) and moved to Notts............
One other problem is that some people are not making a distinction between Claydon and Clayton.

If you have a Tree on here, it might be an idea to give me access to it via PM.

More later.

Derek.

Thank you, Derek, for your kind message.

I am stuck with the parentage of Arthur Edwin S Claydon, born in Sutton in Ashfield in 1872

Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
CLAYDON Arthur Edwin S Mansfield 7b 70

He isn't on a census with parents, and he died in 1895

I suspect that his mother was unmarried , one of the daughters of his Claydon grandparents

I'm hoping not to have to spend on a birth cert, as the 'twig' is quite remote, and I have more pressing commitments for my money

I would be very grateful if you could find anything, but will quite understand if it isn't possible

Hello Jacqui..........thanks for your PM...this is my office !!

Derek.

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D. I'm going to sulk now :-|

oh lagooner should we be jelous :-D

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Hello Joyce............could be very hard work.......probably best left to me!! and if that sounds arrogant..but it ain't really............If you have some specific death dates of either name..I can at least tell you where to look...and at best i can tell you exactly where the burials took place...........depends very much on the dates.....
Whenever you go to Matlock, you should have a very clear plan..otherwise its a nightmare............i am a seasoned Matlock visitor...........so perhaps the last resort for you, would be to arrange to meet me there........
In the mean time..give me some names and dates.............I've eve been known to take photos of gravestones!!

Derek.

Hi Derek, I am visiting Matlock records office in May/June and was wandering will I be able to find out from there, where the graveyards of any Fox and Earp family were buried?

Hope you can advise

Thanks

Joyce

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sally w <3

I wonder :-D :-D :-D :-D.

Now how did i know you two would be the first to reply??? or indeed the only two!! :-(

aww shucks ;-)



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Jeryl.........I am not ignoring you...am working on this..promise!!..first indications are that we should be looking at Greasley Notts..rather than Derbyshire.

Hello Zolga..thanks for your enquiry.
Problem 1......Jane Wright is a very common name.
2..........she was definitely NOT baptised at Glossop..nor was she baptised at Hayfield..or Chinley Independent.. or Chapel an le frith.......all of whom i have coplete baptisms for...............
Yes..she did marry leonard/Lenard/Lennard Redmayne.Redmain at Glossop in 1801........
A clue might be that their two (Maybe more) children, were baptised at ST MARY INDEPENDENT GLOSSOP.......as follows:-

Alexander (Alicksander!) Wright Redmain born 13.11.1803..baptised 17.02.1804
John Redmain born 25.05.1810..baptised 04.05.1811..........

This may mean that their mother Jane was also baptised there.......but I don't have any records....

There are a number of possible Jane Wrights in the timescale you mention.....at Tideswell, Castleton, and Edale..........but is impossible to pin down.

I'll have a look at the later life of the two children and see if i can learn amything.......but at the moment it appears that both Leonard and Jane might have been dead by 1841.

Sorry I can't work miracles..at least not all the time!!

Derek.