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Hi Pauline..the soubriquet "widow" was often used on Census entries to cover up something..like the husband leaving her..being in prison, and particularly being transported.so I think you might be right.........don't forget, the census officials simply wrote down what they were told,,,and in earlier censuses paricularly, ages were approximate and entries made without the officials actually seeing who might or might not be living at the address.

Derek.



Der

Hi Derek
Thanks for replying to my Gould question, I do so hope there is a reply to your question on the Ancestry tree.
I noticed on the 1851 census that John and Mary Gould have a visitor called Benjamin Tomlinson and a lodger called Joseph Fearn. I wondered if they were related to John and Mary?
Looking forward to hearing from you
Molly

Actually John was born in Coggs, Oxfordshire, son of James and Miraim Holliday. I'm not sure why I think this but I have down his middle name was Weller, which would make sense as that was his Mothers maiden name.
Yes, because in 1891 he was living there and he had 4 children
there

Difficult ............ why should John be any earlier then the rest ??? :-)

Evening Petal, any luck with my elusive marriages yet ?

Hi Pauline..have had a good look round on this one...don't think i can do any better than you have.except with a little reminder that THANET is a district rather than a single place and includes Broadstairs Ramsgate and Margate.........so his death may not specify Thanet.....I'll keep looking..

Derek

Hello Molly..........I have everything except the marriage...can't find it anywhere!!...I have all the census returns up to and including 1901..with all the children..and even at one point they were living next door to her parents John and mary.and another where they are actually living with Mary Ann's parents....I have found somebody on Ancestry with a very extensive Family tree for John Watts Sylvester..from his birth in Loghborough leics..right through..unfortunately they are not making it public..so i have sent them a message......will see what happens..


As i said some time ago...with JOHN GOULD being a Methodist Minister they were probably married in an obscure chapel somewhere...

More soon


Derek

Hello RMS.......this is difficult.........first thing..are you sure they actually moved to Yorkshire???
My first suggestion (note suggestion) is that JOHN HOLLIDAY was born Liverpool 1849.....son of JOSEPH AND MARGARET.with a sister ANN born 1850..........
Second possible is that he married ELIZABETH HATTON 1869 LIverpool...
...that's as far as i have got......but do not despair!!

Derek

Hey It worked *SHOCK*

Although Mr John and family are driving me up the wall.
I found them in 1871 John Holliday & Elizabeth & William J.
Living at 74 Louis Street, Liverpool. Then in 1891 in Sands Road, Dewsbury, Yorkshire with his wife and children. So where is he and what happened to his children but what I would really like to know is when did he get married and where and to who(m)???

I know I haven't explained very well, so please yell at me if you would like.

Hi Derek
Goulds again.!!!
have you any details on the marriage of Mary Ann Gould born c 1848, her parents were John Gould c 1820 and Mary Tomlinson . She married Joseph Watts Sylvester c1870. They are all together on the 1871 Brassington Census but I don't seem to have a record of the marriage.
Hope you can help
Molly

Hi Derek

Thanks for your help so far, it is very useful piecing together my family tree.

I have another Kirk, Thomas born in 1681 in Townend, Chapel en le Frith, Derbyshire, England.

I believe he married Hester but what was her maiden name and when was she born.

Who were Thomas's parents.

I struggle to find any of this on IGI.

Thanks Derek

Derek

My Joseph Pearson was born in New Mills.

Thanks very much

Simon.....trouble is there are quite a few Joseph pearsons..I have plenty of stuff for Pearsons/Kirks.and olivers..its a question of working out links..so the more you can give me the better....

JANE OLIVER was born 02.10.1785 and baptised 11.11.1785 at Chapel en le Frith..daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth.......she married Henry KIRK 02.12.1804

The most likely JOSEPH PEARSON was born New Mills Wesleyan 02.04.1824 and baptised 30.05.1825..son of William and Ruth.

As I suggested..they were clearly Non conformists.and are always harder to find...

Will keep digging.

Derek.

Thanks for the kind offer Derek.

Here's a few for you

Joseph Pearson born about 1826 in New Mills Derbyshire

Who were his parents?

I have him married to Anne Kirk.


Also Jane Oliver born about 1785 her husband Henry Kirk was born in Chapel on Le Frith but I do not know where Jane was born other than in Derbyshire.

I have loads of loose ends on my fathers mothers side of the tree. All Derbyshire.

Thanks

You mean you will help RMS if we go back to Nut Lodge??


Yaaaay!! That's an offer we can't refuse. Pack up everyone. Come on CPs, Nutters, pile into the catapult and back to Nut Lodge we go.

RMS needs help with Yorkshirian rellies. Let's not stand in the way of genius or progress.

Everyone in the catapult bucket. Knicker elastic. Who has some fresh knicker elastic. YG!! Have you, did you??? OK don't worry your, knickers have had their turn. Here use mine and I'll zap myself back to Nut Lodge with the fairy wand.

Off we go!! Wave goodbye to Derek!! Byyyyyyyyyeeee.

simon, you're welcome..any more you need,,just ask..and yes RMS I do have Yorkshire Records........but only if all you Nutlodge nutters all go home after your Easter Invasion of my Kingdom..........xx

*sneaks in while everyone is in bed*

Derek did say he did Yorkshire right or am I imagining things

*Goes back to lurking, which I am verrrrrrrrrrry good at*

Tut tut. Did you forget your candle DET. I didn't know this place had lights. Pushes button. Ooooh look the whole place is lit up like the Emirates Stadium. There we are that's better. The CPs have been playing hide and seek and rounders. There might be some food left over in the basket. And hopefully Derek will be back with the Easter Eggs he has found for us.

Yooo Hooo!!!!! Have I missed all the fun? It's a bit dark here now, who turned out the lights, and ate all the picnic?

Whoo hoo!! An Easter egg hunt in Derbyshire. I wonder who we could ask to find the eggs. Hmm someone with lots of searching skills.

Anybody seen any loyal and faithful subjects around here. Missing from the Nut Lodge thread. Oh hi Your Maj! See you are pleased with the team again. Love that blue, red and yellow scarf you are wearing. Reminds me of home!!

Sorry for the uncouth lot invading this thread it's just them proving that they are my loyal and faithful subjects LOL.
Good match today !!!!!!!!!!!


Seriously can you keep looking for the marriages as on census they all check out correctly with George, Thanks