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Hello Susan............yes you have the right family, although there are one or two areas of possible confusion.....

LUCY EMMA BUCKNALL was born 1899/1900.......but i have yet to find a Birth registration for her..........but working backwards with the hints you give, she is on the 1901 and 1911 Censuses...........
1901 has her aged 1..daughter of ALFRED BUCKNELL and ALICE EDITH...along with several other children.
In 1911 we have an additional child William Ewart Bucknall born 1903..and the 1911 Census shows that Alfred and Alice Edith had EIGHT children..of which TWO were dead by 1911.............which iswhere it gets very interesting.

There appears to be no recorded Marriage registration for ALFRED BUCKNALL/BUCKNELL to Alice Edith...............though a little detective work suggests her maiden name to be Alice Edith Smith..baptised Repton Derbyshire 30.06.1867.......daughter of THOMAS LAWRENCE SMITH of Barkston Leics and MARY JANE of Ilkeston.........

The eldest child of ALFRED and ALICE EDITH was Ellen born 1883,,for whom there is no Birth registration..and born when Alice was only 16.......and clessrly not married..................the next child appears to be George Stanley in 1890..which shows quite a gap between Ellen in 1883 and George in 1890..possible accounting for two infant deaths in the meantime.................

I have a full record for ALFRED BUCKNALL including his parents george and georgiana....born somewhere between derby and Burton on trent...Horninglow....not far from Repton........

The marriage of Lucy Emma to Mr Mitchell in 1922 is odd.....because keying in a marriage for Lucy comes up with a spouse Mitchell.........but keying in a search for Harold Mitchell comes up with a spouse Lucy Emma Bucknall!!.so your hunch is right there also........
I'll leave it there for now cos its late!!......you might have other info to share with me to enable me to go further..

Derek

Hi Derek

Wondered if I could intrude on your time again, that is, if Chesterfield is / or was in Derbyshire...........am not sure !

If you do have the relevant records, could you look for a marriage for me?

LUCY EMMA BUCKNALL TO MR MITCHELL........think his name is either HAROLD OR FRED, well I am hoping it is. What I really need are details of Emma's father if listed. Marriage, Chesterfield 1922 April/May/June.

If I have the correct family.......parents Alfred Bucknall of Derby and Alice (maybe Smith) from Repton, Derbyshire.

Any little detail would be helpful and much appreciated.

Susan :-D

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Oh well..I'll just have watch Arsenal hammer Sunderland.... :-( :-( :-(

Hi Olive,

James Albert Farnath didn't marry in any hucknall Chruch. I'll send you the marriage of Polly Bramley later today as I'm at the archives just now and it's on my laptop at home.

Wendy

Hi Chris
Any luck with
The Marriage for James Albert Farnath and Mary E Skidmore
1903 hucknall Nottingha Please
From Olive

(Olive, I'm just giving Derek the reference from your other 'Thread', in case it helped!, looks like you need to send for Marriage Cert.)


(and Wendy who is helping with Hucknall)

Chris :)

edits (PM from Olive, have explained Wendy was helping with Hucknall)

Hi Chris
We'll i only posted it yesterday
You say you have records for Hucknall Nottinghamshire
I wonder if you would look for a Marriage for me
James Albert Farnath -Mary E Skidmore 1903 Nottinghamshire
Mary E Skidmore was born Hucknall 1873
James Albert was born about 1865 Tamworth Warwick

Going back to the Marriage of
William Bramley and Polly (Mary)Crooks 1891
I wonder if you could send me a copy of the Marriage Please

Thankyou
Olive

Hi Derek and Olive,

Hope you don't mind me butting in but I'm working on the Hucknall Parish records and have just been reading though your posts and notice that Olive has sent for the marriage of Walter Farnath and Polly Bramley well the marriage was on 15 July 1922 at St John's Hucknall here's details:
Walter Farnath aged 22yrs a Bachelor, Miner, of 13 Whyburn Street, Hucknall father James Albert Farnath a Miner
Polly Bramley aged 19yrs a spinster of 11 Limb Street Hucknall, father William Bramley a Miner
Witenesses were Henry Bramley and Gladys Jones.

Wendy

Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Polly
Last name Crooks
Marriage year 1891
Parish St.Mary
Place Ilkeston
Spouse's first name William
Spouse's last name Bramley
Reference C10/05/022
Register Office 396


England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Polly
Last name Crooks
Age 21
Marriage year 1891
Marriage date 25 Dec 1891
Marriage place Ilkeston, Derby, England
Father's first name(s) Rufus
Father's last name Crooks
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Brambley
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Brambley


(not sure if any help with Parish Derek, but taken from below 'Thread', with query, William)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1350557?d=asc

(page 3 &4 on above)

Chris :)

Hi Derek
Just a thought do you have Marriages for Nottingham shire

1903 Please
From Olive

Hi Derek
Thankyou so much for searching for me
Like you say the only way to find out for sure is to send for the Marriage Certificate

Do you have Any Nottingham BMD
Bye for now
Olive

Hello Olive.........the Marriage is..as sure as i can be, that between POLLY CROOKS and WILLIAM BRAMLEY....since the registration in Basford only gives the general area of the actual Wedding, I suspect that a visit to Matlock Records Office is necessary if we're going to find the Parish..which could be difficult if the Wedding..as was now possible.....didn't actually take place in Church..
Your only recourse is to send for the Marriage certificate of POLLY CROOKS and WILLIAM BRAMLEY OND 1891 Basford District.
This will give you both parents names.......
There was never ever any marriage between William Bramley and Mary Crooks.....since they had a daughter Polly..there must be a reason for it.....
I'm still looking.

Derek.

Any luck with the Marriage please
From Olive

I now have as complete record for William Henry Bramley (and his daughter Polly!!).
He was clealry a prisoner in 1911, and i suspect that his absence from the 1891 Census means that he was also a prisoner...........with wife mary at home looking after the children...
The 1911 Census for wife Mary crooks shows a further three children after 1901..including POLLY!!
I suspect that William was in fact always Willam Henry...as suggested by the name of one of his sons............

The crooks family appear to have probably been CROOKES......and that William's father was ROBERT.not Thomas...........

All the best.

Derek.

Hi Derek
Sorry to,message you again
I have been reading about the Marriage of William Bramley and Polly Crooks

1891ilkeston 25th December

William Brambley Father Thomas Bramley
Polly Crooks. Father Rufus Crooks

(Mary is also know as Polly !)

Bye for now
Olive

Hi Derek
Thankyou so much for replying to me
I am working of what Genes Reunited Comminity have given me
I have just sent for a a marriage for
Walter Farnath -Polly Bramley 1922 Basford
This Polly Bramley is the Daughter of William Bramley
Walter Farnath is the son of James Albert Farnath

James Albert Farnath married Mary E Skidmore @ 1903 Nottingham

Which I have looked for today in Nottingham Centeral Library
No luck there ???

Yes they say that William Bramley was. Prisoner on 1911 Census
They also say that William Bramley married Mary Crooks William father is Thomas and Mary is Rufus 1891 Ilkeston Deryshire

Hope this makes sence
Thankyou
Olive

Hello Jean......sorry not to have answered your PM, but i had already started searching for answers........so I'm glad you managed to find your way onto this Thread.

This particular task is not easy, there are loads of William Bramley's in both Derbyshire and Notts in the time frame of his proposed baptism.
There are, for instance. at least two WB's in Hucknall Torkard at the same time..one of whom married a Hannah........couls he have married twice??

MARY CROOKS seems to have come from Darley Abbey daughter of Rufus and Eliza..but there is an alleged baptism three years earlier at Horsley of the same Mary by the same parents.......

I'm still trying to pin down WILLIAM BRAMLEY, but none of them appear to have a father Thomas.............but I'll get there eventually.
The ONLY 1891 marriage in December 1891 (anywhere in the country!).between an male BRAMLEY and a female CROOKS.is at Basford December 1891 between William Bramley and POLLY Crooks.............it is the only records of Mary Crooks calling herself Polly............although such things are not unheard of, I believe Polly to be a contraction of Margaret rather than Mary along with Molly.....
MARY CROOKS is on the 1881 Census with her father Rufus, but no mother..and on the 1891 ah is with her mother, but not her Father!!.....Rufus Crooks died in 1891.(This Census is from Horsley Woodhouse!!)
1901 has WILLIAM BRAMLEY of Hucknall and MARY his wife, from Darley Abbey
with three chidren..Eliza ..John..Henry...born Ilkeston/Basford/and Heanor respectively.
WILLIAM BRAMLEY died January 1911, which is why he is not on the 1911 Census.............

I should tell you, if you don't arrady know, that BASFORD NOTTINGHAM causes lot of confusion. I actually live in Basford Nottingham......not to be confused with the BASFORD REGISTRATION DISTRICT, which from 1837 reached out to, and included Ilkeston Derbys and the surrounding area......
Remember registrations of BMD's after 1837 were recorded at Register offices, and place of birth, or baptism..could have been anywhere in that district.

I'll get back to you when I've improved my findings.

EDIT..have just found on the 1911, William Bramley married. Colliery Worker..a PRISONER living, or incarcerated at a Police Station under the charge of Charles A Stone.......is this the same man?? who died later the same year???..probably not!!

Derek.

Hi Derek
I wonder if you could help me please I have been given your Webb Site through Genes Community i understand that you have Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire

I have been searching William Bramley born about 1869 Hucknall Nottinghamshire
But I am not having much luck with the Census ok 1911 1901 census

I am looking for his Marriage to Mary Crooks born 1870 Derbyshire

Marriage William Bramley - Mary Crooks 1891. Derbyshire
Mary's father is called Rufus Crooks and I think William Father is called Thomas Bramley
Thankyou
Olive Jean

Thank you Derek. Your help is always appreciated.
:-) :-) :-)