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Hi Derek

(I sent you this post via PM sometime ago because I couldn't work out how to send attachments to this message board !! I finally did decipher Hannah's surname as KIDDY)

I wrote:

I came across a will yesterday on FindMyPast for a Samuel STREET (wife Hannah) of Belper Lane End - attached.

I think Samuel & Hannah may be the parents of my Henry STREET.

Samuel and Hannah had 7 children all born at Belper Lane End and christened at Duffield:
John c. 1740
Anne c. 1742
Samuel c. 1745
Ellen c. 1748
Thomas c. 1750
Henry c. 25 April 1753 ( ? my Henry STREET)
Hannah c. 1755

I found the marriage record for Samuel & Hannah but I cannot decipher Hannah's maiden surname - attached. Help please !!!

What do you think of my theory ? The time frame fits ?

My Henry STREET was living at Wignall when he married Sarah BENNETT in 1777. It seems that they had 2 children at Horsley (Samuel & Thomas) before moving to Cromford.

Any help would be much appreciated

Cheers for now
Chrissy :-D :-D

Just to add, for reference Alpheus, saw below, if any use!...

Chris :)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(also, not sure if any use to help as well on above link)


17 December 1869 - Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal - Derby, Derbyshire

Deaths.
Thacker —On the 11th inst., at Wilne, Mr. John Lovatt Thacker, eldest son of the late Mr. Alpheus Thacker, formerly of Ambaston Grange, in this county, aged 66

Thacker— On the 12th inst., at Wilne, Hannah Thacker, daughter of the late John Lovatt Thacker, formerly of Wilne Mills, in this County, in the 90th year of her age.



10 September 1845 - Derby Mercury - Derby, Derbyshire, England

Death
On Tuesday, Sept. 2, after a lingering illness, Mr. Alpheus Thacker, Park-street, Derby, late of Amberston Grange, it this county.



11 September 1850 - Derby Mercury - Derby, Derbyshire, England

Death
At her son's house, 16, Park-street, Derby, aged 74 years, Mary, relict of the late Mr. Alpheus Thacker, formerly of Ambaston Grange in this county, deeply regretted by all who knew her.


22 June 1836 - Derby Mercury - Derby, Derbyshire, England

Marriage
On the 7th Instant, at the Collegiate Church, Manchester, Mr. R.M. Storer, grocer, to Mary Ann, only daughter of Mr. Alpheus Thacker, both of this town.


(google search also bringing items!)

http://tinyurl.com/gqve85j

1815
At Wiln Mills, aged 71, John-Lovat Thacker, gent.


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=thacker+wiln

(items, John, National Archives)


(and because of Grange mentioned, if below relating in family anywhere!)

26 September 1860 - Derby Mercury - Derby, Derbyshire, England

Marriage
On Saturday the 22nd inst., at St. James Church, Shardlow, John William Graulich, Esq., of Barmen, Rhenish Provinces, Prussia, to y, Elizabeth Mackey, only daughter of Eggleston Thacker, Esq., of the Grange, Ambaston, in this county

Hi Chris..thanks for your contribution....we'll see how useful it is if and when Christine sees it. It also highlights why it is beneficial for people to use the Thread rather than PM.... Thanks again.

Derek.

Hello everyone,

I'm a newcomer to these message boards - and to be honest, I'm struggling to work out whether I'm posting in the right place or not! I hope this is appearing in the "Derbyshire Parish Records" thread - but I couldn't see how to click on the thread name - or how to give an actual title to my post!

Also, I ought to apologise at the outset for the length of this post - but as you'll hopefully see, my query is a little convoluted.

Anyway, assuming i've more or less found the right place, I wonder if anyone can please help me track down details of a William Bridges - who says he was born in Duffield, Derbys, in about 1783 - although I can't track down any birth or baptism .

I know that George Wildsmith and Mary Bridges, married in Duffield on 7th August 1810. From a second cousin, descended from George and Mary, I’ve been given sight of a small portrait of William Bridges, in his uniform of the Third Kings Own Light Dragoons. We assume that William must have been some sort of relation to Mary – but the problem is, we don’t know what the connection was.

All I know for certain is that William enlisted with the Third Kings Own Light Dragoons in April 1811, when he gave his age as 28 yrs (pointing to the birth/baptism in around 1783), with a birthplace of Duffield, Derbyshire and an occupation as a Joiner. However, I cannot find any baptism record for him in 1783 or nearby years - either in Duffield or anywhere else in Derbyshire. I think I have tracked down Mary Bridges’ baptism to Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts (5th Dec 1790), and this made me wonder if William also actually hailed from S-in-A, but I find no records there either.

William was discharged from the Dragoons in 1828, and his discharge papers seem to indicate that he was discharged as a result of ill health (incipient phthisis), with his discharge papers saying that he is emaciated, much worn out and may not benefit from further medication. Because of this, I've no idea how long he survived after being discharged in 1828.

That said, I’m aware of the presence of a William Bridges living in Belper in both the 1841 and 1851 censuses (giving a birth date of about 1779) – showing him as of independent means and then a proprietor of houses and land. This could be my William – but I have no proof – and I wonder if anyone out there has any suggestions as to where else I might look to try and establish whether this is my William – or if there is another baptism I’ve overlooked.

I should say that I’ve found a baptism of a William Hole Bridges in February 1778 (illegitimate son of Dorothy Bridges), but I think this might be too early(?) – and from the 1851 Will of the William Bridges who appears in the censuses referred to above, I know that he had a brother named John Bridges and a nephew (John’s son) named Richard Bridges. The Will refers to William as a Nailer – with a wife named Hannah. I’ve also found details of marriages between William Bridges and Alice Hall in Duffield in 1807 (Alice was a widow); and then between William Bridges and Hannah Hunt in Duffield in 1834 (both William and Hannah were widowed).

So, as you can see, although I’ve tracked down quite a bit of information about a William Bridges, there’s nothing to link the Dragoon soldier to the later resident of Belper. And I haven't yet found details of any other members of his family - such as his brother John.

Any help anyone can offer (I’ve already received some helpful comments from Derek Gilchrist) – or any thoughts anyone may have as to where I might find some further information – would be gratefully received.

Thanks,
David

Hi David

Like you it appears that I have made a few errors in posting to this Derbyshire list! I think I finally have it sorted now.

There was a John Bridges bapt 6 March 1777 parents John & Mary Bridges at Duffield ?

There were also Richard & Mary Bridges having children around the same time in Duffield + Thomas & Hannah Bridges ??

Have you looked at the marriage between William Bridges & Hannah Brooks 19/10/1801 ?

Your William Bridges was a Chelsea Pensioner which fits with (occupation - Indep Means on 1841 census). William's wife could have been a camp follower so you would have to look at where the Ragoons were from 1801 - 1828.

I have viewed William Bridges discharge record. If you would like a digital copy please contact me and I will send the document on to you

Hope I have been of some help to you

Cheers for now
Chrissy J
Sydney, Australia

Hi Chrissy,

Many thanks for your reply - I'll have a good look at the Bridges families you mention.

I was aware of the marriage to Hannah Brooks, but hadn't looked at it in detail until earlier today. I see that one of the witnesses appears to be Charles Bridges. That is interesting, because I think that Charles and Rebecca Bridges were the parents of Mary Bridges (the lady who married George Wildsmith in 1810), who my second cousin is descended from. Rebecca Bridges was a witness to George and Mary's wedding. I accept that this doesn't really prove anything, but there might be a link there somewwhere!

Thanks for your offer of a copy of William's discharge papers, but I've already tracked it down on another genealogy website. And I have his enlistment details off another of the websites.

My search will go on - but I'm grateful for your comments, and I'll certainly try and explore the Bridges families you've mentioned.

Best regards,
David

Why is this Thread on with my Threads.

Someone could be looking for answers which are on the wrong Thread.

Sheila.

No idea..ask GR..but I have had this thread for a very long time..so be very careful not to get it deleted.
Derek

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1191073?page=136

Would that be because Sheila had above posting on it, that would be why it is in 'My threads', perhaps?...

Chris :)

(Sheila 21 Jan 2014 18:59)

(I am trying to find information on Thomas Wellesley orWollesley or Woollcott Reed b 1881)

Hello Sheila......thanks to Chris we can put your mind at rest..I have sent you a PM..in which I explained that "My Threads" is a file recording every Thread you have created,contributed to, or asked for help upon. It's actually for your benefit and provides a short cut bac to any Thread you might want to revisit in the future.
You asked me for help over three years ago.
Thanks Chris for you help

Derek.

Hello Derek,

I wonder if, when you have a spare moment, you might give some thought to a matter that has so far got me beaten.

I have been able to trace my family history back to my 6x gt grandfather, Joseph Wildsmith of Staveley. From the printed transcripts of the Staveley Registers, which I saw at the Lichfield Records Office, I know that Joseph married a Jane Norborne at Staveley in Derbyshire on 1st December 1713, and that he died in 1766 (I have a copy of his Will). From this I’d guess that he was born around 1690-1695 – but I can find no record of either Joseph’s birth/baptism – nor of Jane’s.

I have tracked down Joseph’s children with Jane – and his second marriage to Barbara Saxton and subsequent further children - but I’d dearly like to take my research back a further generation.

I’m aware that there is another Wildsmith family recorded in the Staveley transcripts - Robert Wildsmith, who had a bastard child (Alice) with Anne Oley in 1670 - and he then appears to have married Anne (although I can find no record of this marriage) - as there are the following baptisms to Robert & Anne:
Robert - 28/09/1678;
Joyce - 06/03/1681;
Anne - 15/04/1683;
William - 11/03/1685;
Elizabeth - 09/01/1687;
Mary - 19/02/1688;
William (again!) - 22/03/1691;
John - 24/06/1694; and
Joane - 20/03/1698.

It seems very likely to me, that my Joseph was a child of Robert & Anne - but I can find no proof of this. My “wishful thinking” is that the John, baptised in 1694, may be a mis-transcription. The Bishop's Transcripts do clearly say "John" - but I would love to track down the entry in the original registers, to be able to do a double-check. I don’t know if these original registers still exist for that period, as I understand that some are in poor condition/missing/etc.

I’m hanging on to the fact that some mis-transcriptions of these registers do occur, as the entry in the typed transcripts indicate that Joseph and his 2nd wife Barbara had a son, Joseph, baptised on 11th Feb 1728 - but the actual Bishop's Transcript clearly shows this child to be John, not Joseph.

So, apologies for such a long and detailed post, but any help or suggestions you can offer in tracking down any further information about Joseph and/or Jane would be very gratefully received.

Regards,
David

Hello again Derek,

Just as an update to my earlier post, I’ve been doing some more digging, and I’ve looked again at Joseph Wildsmith’s marriage allegation and bond for his marriage to Barbara Saxton on 11th Nov 1724. Although I must have seen it before, it hadn’t registered with me that Joseph gives his age as 34 years, whilst Barbara is stated to be “thirty six or thereabouts”.

I realise that stated ages can't necessarily be trusted - but if Joseph is correct, this would suggest he was born sometime between Nov 1689 and Nov 1690. This would fit neatly between the birth/baptism of Mary Wildsmith to Robert and Anne on 19 Feb 1688 and that of William on 22 Mar 1691.

I realise this may simply be wishful thinking again, but rather than thinking that the John Wildsmith baptism recorded in the BTs for Staveley on the 24th Jun 1694 may have been a mis-transcription, I’m, now wondering whether Joseph’s baptism is simply missing from the Staveley Registers in the Nov 89 to Nov 90 period (it certainly isn’t in the BTs – I’ve checked).

So, I wonder if you know whether the original Staveley baptismal registers exist for this period – and, if so, do you know where they are they kept? If I could find them, I may be able to resolve both of the above points.

Sorry to keep banging on about this query, but I’m still hopeful that I’ll be able to track down Joseph’s father, one of these days.

Best regards,
David

Hello David..the Anglican Registers for Staveley St John date from 1570..and i have one or two ideas..will get back to you.

David....this may or may not be any good to you, but I have been looking at BARBARA SAXTON........the first thing is that she married Josephus Wildsmith at Chesterfield 13.11.1724..not at Staveley.
Strange thing is, that throughout my very widespread records i cannot find a Birth or baptism for Barbara Saxton anywhere in Derbyshire..EXCEPT..!!..
a baptism at Staveley 30.11.1722........two years before she married Joseph........this COULD have been an adult baptism...with parents John and Barbara...there are two other siblings......might be something might not.
Just t confuse the issue there is a Joseph Wildsmith who married a Jane Norborne 01.12 1713 at Staveley..she died 23.08 1723...and it looks quite likely that this is your Joseph.who may have remarried in 1724 to Barbara.......
Joseph was buried 05.07.1766..and the widow Barbara 10.09.1768
Joseph and Barbara appear to have had three children..Martha 24.06.1725..Joseph 11.02.1728 and Thomas 17.12.1732..who married Anne Wheatley 17.05.1764.
The thread through all this is that ALL these characters are from Woodthorp.

Good luck

Derek.

Hello Derek,
Thanks for your reply. I hope your searching is successful, and I look forward to hearing back from you in due course.
Regards, David

Hi Derek - sorry, my last response was sent before I realised you'd sent me a more detailed reply. The information about the Barbara Saxton baptism is interesting, but I should have said - the marriage allegation bond makes it clear that she was a widow - so presumably Saxton was her married name? - I'll have to see if I can investigate further. I was aware that her marriage was at Chesterfield - and interestingly the marriage allegation/bond appears to give a choice of 3 locations for the marriage- Chesterfield, Dronfield and Norton - goodness knows why!
It is the same Joseph who married Jane Norborne - his will refers to his wife Barbara and the 3 children you mention - but it also refers to his older children he had with Jane - he leaves these older children (including my 5x gt grandfather Robert), just nominal bequests.
I'm hoping that if the original Staveley Parish Registers exist for the relevant periods, I may be able to fill in a few gaps.
Thanks again.
Regards, David

Hello Derek,
If you are able to I would really appreciate some help.
I have an Elizabeth Porter who was married twice - firstly to John Standley in 1716 and then to Michael Bonnington in 1731. I think her father was Joseph but I am trying to find a source that confirms that - I have tried freereg but I am not getting any results for anything.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Jeryl

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1364688

(reference on above for Derek)

County Derbyshire
Place Breadsall
Church name All Saints
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 24 May 1716
Groom forename John
Groom surname STANDLEY
Groom parish Breadsall
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname PORTER
Bride parish Breadsall
Bride father forename Joseoh
Bride father surname PORTER


County Derbyshire
Place Duffield
Church name St Alkmund
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 24 Nov 1731
Groom forename Michael
Groom surname BONNINGTON
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname STANLEY
Bride parish Breadsall

Chris :)

(not sure why you can't get results Jeryl, they were definitely there!)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1191073?page=137

(Derek with the reference Bonnington Marriage, on here)

There you go Jeryl..Chris beat me to it...again!!..Thanks for your continued input Chris.

Hi Derek,

How are you, just wondered if you have records for Saint Alkmund, Derby I'm looking for the marriage of Sarah Stevenson on 9 Oct 1859 to Charles Bell. It is on Ancestry but only a transcript so not full it says her father is John Stevenson but would like to know if it say's he was a Tailor or not and who witnesses were.
The Sarah I'm looking for was born abt 1812/14 in Loughborough and the Sarah on the marriage was in Loughborough 1851 and 1841 a Sophia Norman was with her and is on the 1861 census with Sarah and Charles to.

Hope this all makes sense to you,

Thank you

All the best

Wendy