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Colin

While my head tries to absorb and make sense of your last post, here’s a little tip

Can you please break up your information (When writing) into ‘followable’ paragraphs?

Every time you post I have to read it three times to even start to understand it........however with your last post that may never happen

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Why did your dad become ‘Weeks’?
Sarah Walden, you say is now Sarah Lovell?
And who are these two men with the name ‘Lovell’, have you plucked them out of thin air?
Is it all plucked out of thin air?

I am still trying to understand the significance. Are they the same people because if so I will Just ignore what I see as a contradiction in terms. Is this OK.

Now on to the more important issue that has been driving this thread.
I am relunctantly coming to the conclusion that Walter strong levi walden may not have made it to Australia. So In looking at an alternative from the information that we have got I think we might have a breakthrough.
On my dads birth certificate the particulars are:-
Charles William Walden was born on the 18 Oct 1911 at the maternity home harvest rd north fremantle.
The full particulars of Walter Levi Walden were given and it was certified in writing by Sarah that Walter was the father. (So much for placing too much credence on certs being accurate.)
Sarah was said to be 25 and walter 27 (thats about right)
The parents were said to be living at 98 Chelmsford Rd north perth. (Tracey please note)
The witnesses were Eileen Bourke midwife and Margaret Dougherty. (Both presumably dead by now)
The next certificate - The mariage certificate of Charles William Weeks and Gertrude Laura Isard (Note that the Walden name has now been replaced by Weeks)
Over and above the nomally expected information it has some cryptic information which when looked at more closely opens up a whole new area of investigation which looks promising
I reported before that on the marriage certificate, for some strange reason, my dads mother was said to be Sarah Lovell. Well who is she? I think Sarah Walden/Weeks left this as a clue. Its her.She is talking about herself.
Why; Because I have found new information on a shipping list that shows a Mr Charles Lovell then 22 making him born about 1885 ( calculated from the age given on the shipping register) . He was stated to be a farmer and he left London on the Omrah on the 1st November 1907 for Fremantle.(The record is on p3 of 15.) He would already have had 3 years in W.A. when Sarah arrived early Jan 1911.
I know he could be any Chas Wm Lovell but I have selected two people as likely candidates because they carry the same name as my father "Charles William" and their date of birth matches the travellers.
They are Chas Wm of Bedford (see Jun Q 1886 3b 360) or,
Chas Wm of South Stoneham (see Sep Q 1886 2c 47.)
(I need your help here because I don't know your farming areas.)
What a relief I think I am on the right track. I've felt that way before about a few things so I pass it on to you, my excellent experts. Tear it to shreds if you can.
If this is thought to have some legs to run on then I will get more local information about the residents of Chelmsford Rd before, at the time of, and after the birth of chas wm Walden becuase that may give some indication of who is living there.
I'll do this on my return from Bali which is late Dec. Given that this is the new year holiday period it might take a few days to crank up again.
I'm pretty pleased with this breakthrough and I really hope its right.

Now for the more mundane matters Still no snail mail not that it matters anymore and 2 days left before I go to Bali.
Bye for now. ...........colin

This is the postal address not the eclesiastical area he was baptised in
2 different things.

1891 England Census about Walter Waldon
Name: Walter Waldon
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Walter
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Fulham, London, England


Civil parish: Fulham

then this bit is about where the census was taken
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Waldon 24
Ellen Waldon 24
Walter Waldon 7
George Waldon 5


Name: Walker Walden Strong
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 29 Jun 1884
Father's Name: Walter Strong
Mother's Name: Ellen Strong
Parish: Saint Andrew, West Kensington
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
County: Middlesex
Born 16 November 1883
they were living at Bayonne Villas then


God give me strength !
What have you done with the old threads, not deleted them I hope ?

They should all be on MY THREADS on the left of page ?

Hi all I'm looking at some previous info from the 1891 census and I have a note that says that Walter was born about 1884 in Fulham London-St Clement Parish. Walter Strongs info states he was born 1883 thats OK but the Parish is St Andrew West Kensington This confuses me and does it matter.The reference I have is 1891 RG 12 Piece 48 Fol 11 Page 18 Roll 6095158.

OK I know better than to tangle with any of you. I will check out the shipping agents. By the way I fixed my family tree without needing to involve GR technicians. Theres one for me.
colin

Slaps Colins legs,

Why ,when the most obvious route is the shipping agents are you looking elsewhere ?
No I dont recommend cards, chess, scrabble ,I'm still far too competetive and am the the one that finishes off people's crossword puzzles too !!

root. chuckles !

Well Lindsey what can we say!! Well done you for putting us out of misery before Christmas and as could be expected you were right to suspect that it was a second marriage for Walter senior.

Where to from here though?

Please excuse ignorance but what is "ROFLMAO"? Sorry, I am not au fait with text language - if that is what it is! Are the last 4 letter to do with chuckling parts of one's anatomy away?

1901 England Census about Annie A Cox
Name: Annie A Cox
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William G
Mother's Name: Jane A
Gender: Female
Where born: Pimlico, London, England
Civil parish: St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 400
Household Members:
Name Age
William G Cox 41 police constable
Jane A Cox 44
Fredk A Cox 19
Amy E Cox 14
Annie A Cox 12
William G Cox 6
Florance M Cox 2
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address peabody buildings

Lindsey'
You have done it again I am glad I don't play cards with you as you have trumped me yet again.
Well this leaves young Walter footloose and fancy free. It seems even more important now that we find Alice F Batten and then we may find some more history about Walter.
I sincerely hope your feeling a little better than the early hours this morning.
Sincere regards ..........colin

Hi Reece or should I say G'day mate and merry christmas to you and yours.
Nice to hear from you and your complimentary comments. The team that has been through this marathon all deserve to be praised. The answer to your questions are that the english disease relates to the power of the unions to generally cause havoc in the community to win their members increases in pay and conditions and the first unionists who did this and were punished by your courts were those in Tolpuddle where-ever the hell that is.Hence the term Tolpuddle martyrs.Aus post has a strong union base and they are doing the same today as those martyrs did many years ago.It then follows that this is an unwanted disease imported into our country. Hope this makes sense.
I agree with you about the certificates not always representing the truth and in my case my grandfather Walter shown on my dads certificate may not be the correct father. I hope we can find something soon one way or the other to put me out of my misery.
Thanks again for your interest............colin
PS I will leave the shipping agents as a last resource as I am currently googling the net looking for shipping crew lists in and out of fremantle 1909- 1914.

well Reece, I guess I qualify for the diseased English ! I'm diabetic and have a dodgy heart , so just a common cold can be nasty. !

Colin, you want hard evidence, just to prove our English snails move faster than yours, here it is.


The Register Office Fulham Marriage......... 4th July 1916.
{ Thats why it doesn't show on church records.}

WALTER LEVI WALDEN 51 Widower , coal carman,131 Greyhound Road Fulham,
father, GEORGE PHILIP WALDEN ,,DEC'D ,,builder and decorator

To

ANNIE AMELIA COX, 30 Spinster same address ..

father WILLIAM GEORGE COX,,Police constable

Same address as on son Alfred's marriage cert.

so Water senior married twice.

ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!

Following your thread with great interest!

What on earth do you mean by 'English disease' and Tolpuddle Martyrs?

Some certificates have just taken a month to get from NSW to here (where it is snowing!)

Have your tried the shipping agents for lists re your ancestor?

Merry Christmas.

Reece (an Aust. pioneers' descendant)

Reece

Edit: Colin, all is not always revealed by our ancestor's birth, marriage or death certificates - as I have found! Hope you're not too disappointed!

You said;

To Ginny, Some times I don't know how to take your comments as I suspect you are like most of the others that have been helping me over the course of this quest, got a little bit of devilment in your make-up. Its good because it makes for interesting reading for the observers of this strand


Well Colin, my mom always said that a women needs to keep an 'air' of mystery about her. So you'll never know lol

So the 'Bali' holiday, home with a pool and a car are all just ' fur coat and no knickers'!!! Theres a lot of them where I live, fancy cars and clothes and 'nowt in fridge' tee hee

As for entertaining 'observers' of this thread...bovered!

When did you send for the certificate, it's taking yonks?

Ginny
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Sorry to hear your choked up with the flue Take an aspirin or two and stay in bed instead of answering these questions so early in your morning.By the way its a pleasant 28 degrees here and the water temperature is great for swimming not just wetting your feet.
I am again intrigued by your answer and I accept the fact that little if anything does get past you.Why do you say he is at sea? Do you know something that you have been holding back on or are you confusing the arrival date of the Osterley which berthed in Tilbury 1st or 2nd April 1910. Its a bit cheeky of me to ask "do you have any hard evidence of him being at sea". The pupil is learning from the master.
For what its worth I think he is associated with shipping in some way but unfortunately nothing yet presents as evidence to support the supposition. Hope you get well soon Bye for now.

Der ?
Walter was at sea when the 1911 census was taken !

I miss nothing!

The 1911 says there were 6 walden children born ! died, possibly Bertie and they were married 27 years.

Swim. it's -4 here and I'm full of a cold, on my second box of tissues, the snow is falling and I'm not happy, at all !

To all who are intererested in the Walden-Cox s Marriage certificate It still has not arrived and it is because of the "English disease" which goes back to the tolpuddle martyrs. Australia Post is and has been on a go slow campaign for better wages and conditions and I am merely one of many who are affected because of their campaign. Never mind all will be revealed when it finally comes.
To Ginny, Some times I don't know how to take your comments as I suspect you are like most of the others that have been helping me over the course of this quest, got a little bit of devilment in your make-up. Its good because it makes for interesting reading for the observers of this strand. I will now tell you it has been many many years since I have been able to afford a trip like this which my wife and I are going to enjoy so scrapping it and buying all of the certificates you suggest is out of the question. However on my return I may sell the car and the house which will rid us of our remaining family at home to allow me to put a deposit on all of those certificates and pay them off on the never never plan. OK I will get some of the important ones on my return.Now back to the important work. The info about Mrs Walden in the 1911 census and the link to Alice Batten Batton? seems to me to be the best avenue for finding a little more. Lindsey may have been misled about the address as Walter and Mrs Walden were at a different address to the family during that census. A little later, in the 1914 year during his army enlistment period he seems to have returned to the family home with Alice. There is something funny about this relationship and why can"t we locate Alice Mrs Walden? now.
OK thats enough thinking for now - its time to go for a swim here. Eat your heart out folks.
...............colin

You can stop that Tracey!

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Name: Walter Wallace Strong stockbrokers clerk
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Spouse Name: Edith Caroline Elphinstone
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Jun 1900
Parish: Saint Andrew, West Kensington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Herbert Strong office clerk
Spouse Father Name: Alexander Elphinstone resteranteur?

Hmmm....

This might hurt us,

Marriages Jun 1900
Elphinstone Edith Caroline Fulham 1a 445
Johnson Emily Caroline Fulham 1a 445
Skinner Charles Archibald Fulham 1a 445
>>>Strong Walter Wallace Fulham 1a 445

Tracey x

Colin

You asked;

Can anyone tell me what name Walt jnr or Walter Strong would officially be known as?



Oh if only we knew! No really his 'official' name would be that on the baptism record I posted (If that’s him....you need the certificate) but he could have called himself anything at all!

Back then there were no checks like we have today, you just got married and gave them the details, end of, no questions asked! You could have called yourself ‘Mickey Mouse’ and no one would ask questions. Oh except Walt (Disney that is) had not created him at that time!

So, are you going to send for the birth certificate....I can’t wait! It might also be useful to buy the death certificates of his parents as this might place him if he was the informant.

And....marriage certificates of his children might give you more information such as his name and if he is still alive. And, you never know he might have been a witness!

So, if you take my advice, you can cancel 'Bali' and spend your holiday cash on gathering hard factual data!

Ginny
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