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Hi All
Just a quick update, wrote to Salvation Army to see if they can trace my mother, they returned to me a form to fill in and a request for a cheque.
This has been sent so have to wait and see what transpires.
Alex Neil from glasgow social services has not delivered the goods yet, phoned him Friday but he was not at work, so will be waiting on Monday morning to chase him up.
Also recieved a Card\Letter from my Great Aunt Phyllis Barnes's Great Grand Daughter Raynor also enclosed a Photo of Great Aunt Phyllis at her mum & dads wedding. So now a picture of my mothers aunt, pretty damm good start to the New Year. The sad bit was that Raynor did not have much to do with the Barnes side of the family so not too much joy on that side.
That's about all for now.
Jock

Hi Mary
Thankyou for your good wishes,
Might have to do Salvation Army for the last bit.
Best Wishes
Jock

Hi Jock

It's great news to hear you have finally after so long managed to get some answers!! Well done to Elaine the Archivist.

Now let's hope that the new year brings you to the end of your quest and you manage to track Sarah down. :-))

All good wishes

Mary

Just A quick update
Big Thankyou to the lovely people who have been holding my hand through this 9 mth search, no names you know who you are.
Where are we now.
We now know that the Sarah Elizabeth Wilson from Wales is my Mother.
This has been confirmed by Social Services on the telephone
They will be supplying hopefully all the paperwork found in the Archives that they said they did not have but the lovely Elaine who is the Archivest there now is very clever and knows how to search it all, with all her good work up they poped
Apparently after my mother gave birth to me she lived in A Salvation Army Home,so despite having a large extended family on her fathers side in glasgow no help was forthcoming.
She obviously kept me until December 1944 when she had to ask for Poor Relief, which is nothing like the Benifit System of today,to recieve help you had to be destitute, This request then led to me being Boarded Out, I think that meant being taken into care or sent off to some Family who would get paid for looking after you.
I went to Mrs Cameron Hill Cottage Conon Bridge In Ross Shire I don't know what happened to my mother her last known whereabouts now were in 1953, 174 Cromwell Rd Earls Court London
A final little snippet my Father is named as P Fitzgerrald from American Forces, which is what I always imagined, Bar of Chocolate some Nylons some smooth talk,it all went to a girl's head, result here am I.
At least the past is a lot clearer, lets see what the New Year Brings,
Too all who helped and read this Have a Wonderful New Year.
Jock

This looks like it Might I stress Might just be the break we are looking for
Looks like good news to me but only time will tell.
Details as Follows
Jock

Dear Mr Wilson,

Thank you for your enquiry of 07 December 2009. Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to your enquiry and for any inconvenience that this may have caused. This is due to the large number of enquiries that are received which we are working our way through as quickly as possible.

I have now had an opportunity to search the archive indexes and records in relation to children placed in care. I have traced a number of relevant records but although these are housed in the archives, they fall under the ownership of Social Work Services and are also covered by the Data Protection Act (1998) and as such we are unable to provide access to these records here in the archive search room. Access to these records is managed by the Families for Children Section at Social Work Services. I have provided contact details for you below for the Families for Children section at Social Work Services where you should place your enquiry in writing. Families for Children will then request copies of the records from the archives and advise you as to how you can access the records. If you could ask Families for Children to mark the request for my attention as I will have all the copies ready to forward on to them and this should prevent any unnecessary delay.

Families for Children
Social Work Services
Centenary House
100 Morrison St
Glasgow
G5 8LN
email: [email protected]

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further assistance.

Yours sincerely,

Hi All
Just A quick update have sent a letter to Phyllis Barnes's Daughter Norma
Think that would have gone off on Monday,Have PM'd a lot of close Phinnemore and other close links some have opened and not answered , some are yet to open.
Will wait till the new year and see what surprises's it brings
Big thankyou to everybody for their imput and a Special thankyou to those who go above and beyond kindness, LOL you know who you are.
A Good one to all LANG MAY YER LUM REIK
JOCK

Sent this to Alistair Tough at Glasgow Archives But no reply
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Sent: 17 November 2009 20:21
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: (1935-66); Daily returns of patients Stobhill Hospital



Dear Alistair

Its me again, a lot has happened since I last wrote to you, I think will the help of very kind people on Genes Reunited that we have found my Mother,

It is thought she was born in Nantyglo Wales 27 November 1918 Her mother was Charlotte Maud Wilson born Nantyglo Wales and her Father Daniel James Wilson Born Dromore Co Tyrone

Andrew Lived in Springburn Glasgow and joined the Army there in 1917 He married Charlotte.

Daniels Parents came to Glasgow from Ireland around 1900 as they are in the Census living at 79 Plantation St Govan they had other children born in Glasgow

Daniel must have moved to Glasgow after the war with his family, this did not work out and they got divorced as Charlotte got remarried 1932 to Edward Bale in Nantyglo in Wales.

Unfortunately all this is only circumspect without proof that this Sarah Elizabeth Wilson was the same one that gave birth to me it all points towards her but I need the last bit of proof that she is the one.

I understand that you also have in your KEEP daily returns of patients from Stobhill maybe even Births for 18th March 1944, which hopefully would give my mothers age and hopefully date of Birth.

This would make an old man rest and be happy.

I do hope you can be of some help as Sarah appears to have disappeared after giving birth to me I have traced her father till his death 18th April 1955 at 250 Shawbridge St Glasgow.
I have lots of other details about the family but none that can confirm all our hard work is correct.
Your help would be gratefully received.
Yours Sincerely

I then Contacted The Mitchell Library who suggested I forward the Email on to them which I did on the 7th Dec with the following
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I spoke to someone on the telephone who suggested I forward this on to you

I was born in Springburn Glasgow 18th March 1944 was never adopted but was always under The Children’s Officers Glasgow

My Mother worked prior to my birth at Hawkhead Asylum and gave birth to me in Stobhill, I have never known her only know her name Sarah Elizabeth Barnes Wilson although the researchers who have been helping me feel her Name might be Sarah Elizabeth Wilson born 27 November 1918 as per details below.

This needs to be confirmed especially her birth date, we have lost all trace of her so cannot get any further, surely somewhere in your archive there must be details of me as I was moved around all over the place to different foster parents and Gryffe Home Bridge of Weir.

I have been trying with Glasgow Social Service for over four years but they don’t appear to have tried too much, I could be wrong but I don’t think they are bothered, or maybe they are too busy?.
I do hope you will be able to help.
If you need a copy of my birth certificate etc I can forward this at your request
Thanking you in anticipation
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No Reply so Telephoned them today and they confirmed they had recieved my Email and it would take a couple of weeks to answer.
So maybe some news in the New Year.
A Very Merry Christmas & A Happy new Year To All
Jock

Found Child
Barnes>Marian Mother Rees Bedwellty Jan 1917 11b 173
Found another one but very unlikely as wrong area>
Barnes>Harry Mother Rees Wimborne Jan 1916 5a 384
Most of the monmouth and surrounding area seem to begin with 11a or 11b
Jock

Hi Janey
Thanks for reply
Would not say for certain That Elizabeth was Charlotte's Birth Mother as I can't at the moment find the second marriage far enough back, not that it matters at the moment.
Found Apr 1915
Marriages Barnes Thomas C-- Rees Crickhowell 11b 173
>Rees Beatrice -- Baines? Crickhowell 11b 173
Also regarding Father Thomas
Marriage Dec 1900
Barnes Thomas Crickhowell 11b 224
Might well be the marriage to Elizabeth not sure of her Surname I have Morgan in my head from previous Thread but can't manage to cross check it.
Will have a go at checking for Children for the 1915 marriage
Did not understand about the the Ancestry bit, I am not a member but I have the tree attached to someone elses Tree which allow me to edit it but not able to access Ancestry Records or Mail.
Jock

If we're on the right trail, Charlotte was your grandmother. Now you do know more about her life.

Perhaps we should take a stab at tracking down the grandchildren of Charlotte's siblings ...

I see we haven't corrected the 1901 census record at Ancestry. Are you a subscriber there? Have we discussed this before? If you aren't, I can make the name correction and include an email address for you (I strongly recommend an anonymous account at www.gmail.com). That way any family member researching the household would be able to contact you.

Name: Charles M Barnes - this is Charlotte, right?
Age in 1901: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Abertillery, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Aberystruth
County/Island: Monmouthshire

Thomas Barnes 35 - coal hewer
Elizabeth Barnes 23
Thomas Charles Barnes 12
Evan John Barnes 8
Charles M Barnes 3
Beatrice Barnes 5


We worked out that Elizabeth was Thomas's second wife and likely the mother of Charlotte, I believe.



1911

BARNES CHARLOT 1898 13 Bedwellty Monmouthshire

BARNES THOMAS 1865 46
BARNES ELIZABETH 1873 38
BARNES THOMAS 1889 22
BARNES EVAN 1894 17
BARNES BEATRICE 1896 15
BARNES BEN 1902 9
BARNES WILLIAM 1905 6
BARNES PHILLYS 1910 1

Recieved today Charlotte Bale Death Cert
Which confirms we have the correct one
The death was Registered by her brother J.C Barnes who oddly enough I dont have down as a sibling, Could be a misprint on the J maybe it was ment to be T for Thomas Charles Barnes.
Then the phone rings and it is Margaret Saxby, sounds like a really lovely lady.
her father never told her he was married before, so she did not know too much.
From Charlotte's Death Cert I know that she went into hospital for a Uterine Fibroid operation and suffered a Pulmonary Embolism
The sad story was that her Husband Edward was called by the hospital to come and pick her up as she was ready to leave, when he turned up they took him straight to the Morgue where she laid dead.
Margaret also remembers being taken to the Newsagents and being always given lots of sweets and never understood why; later found out it was Charlotte's brothers Shop.
Thats about all she could tell me and suggested maybe I should try and persue the Barnes side of the family
So very interesting but not too helpful.
She did tell me a few other tales from her side of the family but they won't further the search
Jock

Oops. Those are exactly the things I meant weren't appropriate for public posting, that's why I sent them to you privately. (A living person who doesn't know she's being talked about, who might not even be connected, and those are personal details about her.)

Would you delete the info about the daughter (including about her husband/her husband's name) from that post Jock, and just leave it at what I said above? --

He remarried after marrying Charlotte. There are a marriage for him and a birth for the daughter with the same wife/mother's surname, not Barnes or Wilson.

Charlotte Barnes Wilson Bale died, Edward Bale remarried and had a daughter, and it looks like it will be possible to contact her.

Are you going to add the death info here Jock?

(Please -- no need to keep making me go dig around my inbox -- anything that it's appropriate to put here, I see when I look at My Threads!)

Charlotte Barnes Wilson Bale died in 1938 -- yes, I think that would for sure be the right death. So Edward remarried and had a child, and hopefully you're going to be able to contact her.

Jock - I've PMed you detailed info - either we have the wrong Edward Bale (not seeing another candidate in births for the one Charlotte married) or he remarried after marrying Charlotte. There are a marriage for him and a birth for the daughter with the same wife/mother's surname, not Barnes or Wilson.

Gave you ER listing, and directions for asking Whirley for contact details for that daughter and her spouse!

Just Received Edward bale Death Details ( very interesting)
Death registered by Daughter would Charlotte have been the mother as Edward was regarded as a Bachelor when he got married not a divorce or widower
Details as Follows.
Registration District Merthyr Tydfil
County (NOW) Mid Glamorgan
Date of Death 21 June 1991
Where Prince Charles Hospital Merthyr
Name Edward Bale Male
Born 8 Oct 1904 Bedw as Mid Glam
Occupation Factory Packer (Retired)
Living at 17 Glan-yr-Afon, Rupella Street,
New Tredegar Mid Glam
Informant Margaret Saxby
19 Wimstree Close, Layer-de -la-Haye
Colchester Essex
Cause of Death Heart Disease
Registered 24 June 1991.

It seems like a few more bits to chew on
Jock

Thanks Janey
I have'nt done that one yet was waiting for the Bale death details to come first.
Jock

I've sent off a message to our Scottish expert asking about the 1924 Wilson birth (parents).

Should have thought of that earlier ...

Have written to Alistair Tough but bearing in mind that I hav already had contact with him, was told that I needed Proof of her death or her written consent; not promising but nothing ventured etc.
Details as follows>
Dear Alistair

Its me again, a lot has happened since I last wrote to you, I think will the help of very kind people on Genes Reunited that we have found my Mother,

It is thought she was born in Nantyglo Wales 27 November 1918 Her mother was Charlotte Maud Wilson born Nantyglo Wales and her Father Daniel James Wilson Born Dromore Co Tyrone

Andrew Lived in Springburn Glasgow and joined the Army there in 1917 He married Charlotte.

Daniels Parents came to Glasgow from Ireland around 1900 as they are in the Census living at 79 Plantation St Govan they had other children born in Glasgow

Daniel must have moved to Glasgow after the war with his family, this did not work out and they got divorced as Charlotte got remarried 1932 to Edward Bale in Nantyglo in Wales.

Unfortunately all this is only circumspect without proof that this Sarah Elizabeth Wilson was the same one that gave birth to me it all points towards her but I need the last bit of proof that she is the one.

I understand that you also have in your KEEP daily returns of patients from Stobhill maybe even Births for 18th March 1944, which hopefully would give my mothers age and hopefully date of Birth.

This would make an old man rest and be happy.

I do hope you can be of some help as Sarah appears to have disappeared after giving birth to me I have traced her father till his death 18th April 1955 at 250 Shawbridge St Glasgow.

I have lots of other details about the family but none that can confirm all our hard work is correct.

Your help would be gratefully received.

Yours Sincerely

Albert Barnes Wilson

Jock

Received Reply
Dear Mr Wilson,

Thank you for your enquiry.

Although the historical records of Greater Glasgow Health Board are housed in the Mitchell Library, the archives staff here do not have any responsibility for these records. You should direct your enquiry to the Greater Glasgow Health Board Archivist, Mr Alistair Tough. You can email him at [email protected]

Good luck with your search.

Yours sincerely,

Ms Elaine MacGillivray
Archivist
Archives and Special Collections
Culture and Sport Glasgow
The Mitchell Library
North St
Glasgow
G3 7DN
Phone 0141 287 2910
Fax 0141 226 8452
Email [email protected]

Jock

Have just tried something else in my desperate search, and contacted
The Mitchell Library the Email is self Explanatory

Libraries, Information and Learning
The Mitchell
North Street
Glasgow G3 7DN
Phone: 0141 287 2999
Fax: 0141 287 2815
Email: [email protected]

The following details have been sent.

Your details:
Name Albert Barnes Wilson
Email [email protected]
Comment I was told by one of my helpers on genes Reunited who is helping me trace my mother I have never known.
I am led to believe that yo have record of patients in and out of Stobhill Hospital
I was born in that hospital on 18 March 1944
And my mother's Name was Sarah Elizabeth Barnes Wilson which is what is on my Birth Certificate although she does sign her Name Sarah Wilson
What is required is her Date of birth to confirm it is the same woman we have researched.
I do hope you can help as I desperately need to know,I have been without this knowledge for 65 years
Thanking you in anticipation
Albert Barnes Wilson