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hi guys, sorry for any confusion here. yes i am ordering certs to hopefully clarify a few details.

the reason for asking today about may amelia syrett, who was a daughter of hannah is because, i was talking to an aunt of mine who remembered an aunty may who had 8 children.

it would have been her great aunt anyway. i wanted to see where she was living and with whom in 1911 to see if she was married or had any children.

are you members of the 1911 census or can anyone get lookups for free.
if so can you enlighten me please.

i am

i am already a paid up gold member of gr so dont really want to sign up to another site which will cost me another £40 or so.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

Click "Show advanced fields" down at the bottom.

Expecting mistranscriptions, I searched for

first name MAY
last name *starts with* SY
born 1893 +/- 2 years.

I think it was a longish list. I just read through it, and hit May Amelia Synett (I didn't know whether she would have her middle name in the census so searched as broadly as possible).

I then searched for any other Synett living in Mile End Old Town *with* May Amelia Synett.

I also searched for any

last name *A*
- check "Wildcard name"

living with May Amelia Synett in Mile End Old Town. And then any *E*, any *I*, any *O*, any *U* (a recent thread by Jonesey gives this tip for finding any surname living with someone).

Those were the results. You might be able to tell from the original image whether it really says SYRETT.

If you edit your subject line here to say

1911 image lookup please - see page 2

someone with a subscription will probably show up to check it for you.

Oh, and never pay for that gold business at this site. Bad deal. Investigate Ancestry, or FindMyPast.

The 1911 is a separate thing for everyone -- no other subscription anywhere includes it. Anyone who does a lookup for you has paid for the 1911 specifically.

Christina ... read my post above stamped 23:27.

It explains the entire process for searching the 1911 without paying.

And I explained that you can only see images with a subscription.
People who do have subscriptions are limited to a certain number of images a day on average.



I'm not sure where Mary Eliza came in here -- May Amelia shows in 1911 (if that is her) as born in 1894 because she hadn't had her birthday yet that year.


Ah. You'd missed the 1911 explanation first time around - crossed in the post. ;)

hi there, yes its been a while but finally i got those important certificates.on sophies marriage cert it names her father.
alexander van coveandon/sailor. yes the spelling is different once again!

on her mothers marriage cert it gives herself as widow and surname as vain covaiondon(hannah). this is 1901 when she married henry syrett.

it also gives hannahs father as john pitcher/boatman,fisherman. my aunt always said her name was pritchard, similar i guess. i traced hannah, brother frederick and her parents john and eliza on the 1871 census.

so as hanah was born around 1855 and sophie was born in 1883 hannah must have married roughly between 1874 and say 1881 to alexander.

i have checked on free bmd and ther are at least 3 hannah pitchers married around 1876/77. i am not a member on there so if any one would be able to tell me which hannah married alexander so i can order the cert i would be extremely grateful

i have kept this request with the original thread as all the info is here if anyone new is reading this. janey and lyndsey did a lot of groundwork in the beginning so im sure will be interested in what i discovered from the certs.

more interesting is that sophies dad was a sailor, but where did here come from here or away?

anyway i would be grateful to anyone who can help once again.
thanks. florence formerley known as christina

Just one problem, none of the marriages are to an Alexander ?

I'm going to come back when I have proper time. Just one thing.

Her name may well have been Pritchard, and it got entered wrong on that certificate. If she didn't know how to spell it (a lot of people weren't literate at all), the registrar might have just written it as heard. She herself might even have thought it was Pitcher. Easier to say, after all. ;)

Pitcher looks right, though.


1871 in Ramsgate

John Pitcher 53
Eliza Pitcher 54
Hannah Pitcher 14
Frederick Pitcher 12


1861 in Ramsgate:

John Pitcher 45
Eliza Pitcher 46
Marthiena Pitcher 18
Eliza Pitcher 17
John Pitcher 16
Martha Pitcher 12
Ann Pitcher 7 = Hannah
Fredk Pitcher 4

hi janey and lyndsey, thanks for getting back. oh lyndsey what a shame and i was so hoping it would be one of them. never mind ill keep searching.

janey on hannahs marr cert the fathers name is very clearly john pitcher and the details you have are what i found also.

its the fact thats it shows on her marriage to henry a widow.as i said before sophies fathers spelling of his name is just awful.i sometimes wonder if i would have had more chance if it was smith lol!!!

if i could trace sophies birth details i could order a cert but ive tried without success due to the spelling of her name and believe me i have just about tried every combination for the van.vain,pain/covenden/covaiodon/covoerdon etc and now not sure whats left to find.
any suggestuions ladies or anyone else for that matter. thanks.

janey ive just had a thought. sophia pritchard you found back in nov and then couldnt locate in 1881. well what if her name was really pitcher spelt wrong and then when the census was done in 1881 it was mispelt again. her mother hannah was illiterate that we know, so wasnt traced as pritchard.

however 2nd thoughts if hannah was unmarried when sophie was born around 1880/1 she would have taken her mothers name pitcher/pritchard.in 1901 sophie shows as van covenden(her fathers) name. her mother is hannah syrett because she has already remarried before the census took place.so maybe the marriage to alexander took place between 1880 and 1890. i am going to have another look on bmd and see what i can find.

well peeps ive found this
SEP1885 hannah pitcher marriage holbeach 7a 591
MAR1883 hannah maria hartismere 4a 783
JUN1881 hannah jane pitcher eastbourne sx 2b 133
can anyone check these for me please thanks

Hi do you search for marriage info on
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

which gives this
Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)
Pitcher Hannah Holbeach 7a 591

if you click on the page number i.e 591 it will then give the names of others on that page in this case just the 2 of them but sometimes it will give 4 or more names which is ok if you know both names you are looking for
Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)
Pitcher Hannah Holbeach 7a 591
Wing John Elkanah Holbeach 7a 591

I'm trying to bang out some overdue work - but I did spend some time looking for them in 81 and 91 with all sorts of possibilities for names (and including Harry who might have been born by 1891) but to absolutely no avail.

Flo, follow Jan's directions for seeing the other spouses in a list. Before 1911 you can't tell who married whom if there are more than two names in the list, but you can always check around for both of them. If you find one of the grooms obviously married to one of the brides in the next census, then you can assume the other two married each other. ;)

jansmith, thanks for that i must be thick, i never knew how to find out the info but i do now.
i have checked all the hannah pitchers and nothing came up.

but i then typed in marriages for alexander van coevorden(as spelt on sophies cert) and lo and behold it came up. mar 1900 but sadly not to hannah. however i then searched for a birth and ther is a birth for alexander jfm 1853 in whitechapel 1c 377 now going to search the census to see what i can find.

thanks janey, i know youre a busy lady. back soon

Oh duh, search for him rather than her.

If he married in 1900, while she was living, and she married in 1901, then they were definitely not married to each other ever, and you can stop looking. ;)


1901

Name: Alexander Vancoevorden
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town


no kids with.

1861
Name: Alexander Van Coevorden
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Esther
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: St Botolph Without Bishopsgate
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Van Coevorden 53 holland
Esther Van Coevorden 37 holland
Soloman Van Coevorden 16holland
Maurice Van Coevorden 14
Flora Van Coevorden 13
John Van Coevorden 11 holland
Alexander Van Coevorden 8 london
Mary Ann Van Coevorden 2 london
Rosa Van Coevorden 4 Mo london

1881 searching for

surname COEV*

with nothing else, there's a batch of Van Coevorden-s in St Leonard, but no Alex*.

Names Solomon and Morris, from the Netherlands, my guess is Jewish.

Might Alexander have been an adopted name?

have added place of birth to 1861 all Holland until Alex

So it turns out you may just be related to our Olympic athlete after all!

Now back to page 1, I'd proposed this birth:

Births Mar 1902
Covands Charles A S W. Ashford 2a 860

but that was after Alexander and Hannah married different people.

Will someone refresh my memory - we're still looking for Charles's birth??

There's a Charles Coverman in 1911 who looks like ...

COVERMAN CHARLES 1902 9 Bethnal Green London
but living with

COVERMAN SAMUEL 1874 37
COVERMAN ANNIE 1876 35
COVERMAN JANE 1900 11
COVERMAN YETTA 1903 8
COVERMAN REUBEN 1906 5
COVERMAN JACK 1908 3


Here's one of the clan:

CAN COEVORDEN RACHAEL 1892 19 Hackney London

There's a batch of VAN COEVERDENs in Poplar and COEVORDENs in Whitechapel and Hackney with VAN given as part of the first name. Also VAN COEVORDENs in Hackney (MANNS is undoubtedly Morris, e.g.)