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John and Florence Harris are the parents of my father's mother, so my great grandparents. This John is Rachel's great grandson. John and Florence had 8 children the last of which was my grandmother, Laura May Harris b1901. Sadly, Florence died the same year I'm thinking a post natal infection possibly and John married again in 1907 to a Annie Amelia Gibbs, having two more children, both daughters, Irene and Doris. The 1911 Census has them living in Monkton Combe.

I said in my message to you that because of the number of same names used within the Norcott/Northcott family over the generations it is quite confusing to try to establish the various family hierarchies.

I'm more than happy to stay in touch and compare notes with you but as I live in Brazil I warn you that my internet connection can be flaky to say the least, it often disappears without notice only to reappear a few days later - customer service is not very high on the telephone company's list of priorities as they have no competition.

Oh this is getting exciting Frank - Looking through my old transcripts I have found some papers where my father (Frank Northcott) got bored waiting for me and copied down some docs.
a John Harris married Florence Maria Ellis on 4 July 1878
Ring any bells?

Wow this is great! I have been away for a couple of years (fast tracking a degree in my spare time) and now I am back this has been resurrected.

Ladykira - thanks again, that list was deja vous, reminded me of scrolling through microfiche in the 80's pre GR! There's a few there I didn't have.

Frank, I believe all the Norcott/Northcott etc in Norton Fitzwarren are the same family. How do they fit into your family tree?

Your Rachael was baptised 5/10/1766.
Parents John & Betty.
Siblings:
Betty - baptised 21/6/1754,
John bap 21/11/1756 (parents noted as John and Elizabeth) and
Robert bap 6/5/1770

You are correct Rachael married John Harris 8 July 1791. I have two children for them:
Betty: bap 12/8/1792
John: bap 3/1/1796

As an aside, the Harris family show up later where a John (could this be the one above- 3/1/1796?) and Harriet Harris baptise a bunch of children
George 7/10/1832
James 27/3/1836
Joseph 26/8/1838
Harriet 27/12/1840
Thomas 10/4/1842
Henry 28/7/1844

John, Elizabeth (Betty), William and Elias appear to be popular Northcott names.
I believe John (Rachaels father) was the son of Elias and Catherine and there are additional people in Ladykira's list that I need to pore over and compare with my list. I am all fired up again now.

From
http://www.parkhouse.org.uk/transcr/tcontent.htm

Baptisms
Norcote John 15 Jul 1787 s Thomas/Anne
Norcott Bettey 16 Jul 1762 d Elias/Bettey
Norcott Bettey 21 Jun 1754 d John/Bettey
Norcott Elias 25 Jun 1732 s Elias/Catherine
Norcott Joan 08 Oct 1736 d Elias/Catherine
Norcott John 21 Nov 1756 s John/Elizabeth
Norcott John 09 Jun 1727 s Elias/Catherine
Norcott Mary 16 Oct 1749 d William/Edith
Norcott Robert 06 May 1770 s John/Bettey
Norcott Thomas 31 May 1761 s Joan
Norcott Thomas 26 Sep 1784 s Thomas/Anne
Norcott Thomas 01 Feb 1740 s Elias/Catherine
Norcott William 21 Mar 1760 s John/Bettey
Norcott William 23 Oct 1727 s William/Betty
Northcott Joan 27 Jan 1793 d Thomas/Mary
Northcott Rachel 05 Oct 1766 d John/Bettey

Marriages
Norcott Rachel Richard Dutheridge 27 Sep 1730 both otp
Norcott Wm Edith Dolin 29 Jul 1748

burials
Norcott Elias 05 Jul 1728
Norcott Joan 05 Nov 1732 w William
Norcott John 28 Nov 1731 s Elias, Trull
Norcott Thomas 20 Nov 1733
Norcott Thomas 30 Jun 1741 s Elias/Catherine
Norcott William 05 Aug 1733

Sorry Lesley I did not see your query earlier. Better late than never.

1911 Address: 49 Grays Road Taunton
NORTHCOTT, Sydney Head Married M 36 1875 Pearl Assurance Collector Somerset Norton Fitzwarren
NORTHCOTT, Elizabeth Wife Married
12 years F 39 1872 Household Duties Somerset Kingston
NORTHCOTT, Sidney George Edward Son M 10 1901 Scholar Somerset Taunton
WESCOMBE, Grace Father In Law Widower M 71 1840 Retired Carpenter Somerset Kingston
WESCOMBE, George Brother In Law Single M 41 1870 Preventive Man Somerset Kingston

strange name for FIL
The loops from the person above and below make the name difficult to read. I think it may be Isaac.

confirmation

1901 Address: 49, Grays Road, Taunton St Mary Magdalen Within
NORTHCOTT, Sidney Head Married M 27 1874 Journeyman Baker
Norton Fitzwarren Somersetshire
NORTHCOTT, Elizabeth Wife Married F 29 1872 South Kingston
NORTHCOTT, Sidney G E Son M 0 (5 MOS) 1901 Taunton Somersetshire
WESCOMBE, Isaac Father-In-Law Widower M 61 1840 Carpenter Kingston Somersetshire

Hi Lesley

Re military births.

Our son was born in Cyprus 1973. My OH went to the office at Head Quarters Near East Air Force on Cyprus with the doctor's form stating Iain had been born, just the same as our daughter in UK. An officer acted as a registrar. The birth certificate was done almost immediately by the officer.

When I came out of the WRAF I had to deal with the consulate at the British High Commission (Commonwealth country) in Nicosia, capital city of Cyprus, to get a passport as I travelled to Cyprus by RAF ID card. As soon as we had the birth certificate we sent it to the high commission to get our son on my passport as we flew home on posting when he was only 28 days old.

It may be that our son, like all the military births overseas was registered by the Commission (or embassy) via the RAF. My husband seems to think our son and daughter's registration was the same in Cyprus and Lincoln for his part in the registration.

How they get back to UK would either be by diplomatic pouch or could be service mail. It may be sent quarterly to meet each quarters deadlines, the same with marriages and deaths.

There would be someone acting as a registrar wherever you were born and your father would have gone through the same process as if he was in UK.

The registrar's job would be an occasional job as and when required as births, deaths and marriages weren't as numerous as dealt with in UK.

Although we don't know the whole process I hope this helps a little.

Pat

I have a Rachel Northcott bc 1766 Norton Fitzwarren who I've been struggling with for some time. The only record (FreeReg) I can find of her is her marriage to John Harris (transcribed as John Harr) on 8 July 1791 in Norton Fitzwarren. I can also find two children Betty bc 1792 and John bc 1796.

I would like any details of Rachel especially which specific Northcott family is she a member of?

Thanks in advance.

Can anyone with access to 1911 census please give me more details of:
Northcotts: Sydney, Elizabeth, Sydney George Edward, and George & Grace Wescombe; 49 Grays Rd Taunton.
I guess George is Elizabeths brothers and Grace her mother?? Were they widowed or visiting?
Thanks

Marriages Sep 1927 (>99%)
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NORTHCOTT Ethel A P WHITE Wandsworth 1d 1620
White Montague F R Northcott Wandsworth 1d 1620

Births Mar 1906 (>99%)

Northcott Ethel Annie Islington 1b 334

NORTHCOTH, Ethel Annie Patimer

I think this is supposed to read Ethel Annie Patience


The mistranscription may have occured at the time of the census or at the time of trying to read it. You have an idea of what it supposed to say but the person trying to read an old document may be struggling with difficult writing or faded documents.

How interesting - the level of errors. I would expect more errors in earlier censuses. Eg Elias mother Patience was registered as 'Passiones', and here, Ethel Annies name was Patience. More importantly the 'H' on Nothcot(h).
I would love to find out what Elias Herbert did during WW1. He was a mover and shaker in local politics and was a founder member of the 'No-Ware Movement' in London following his exdperiences. I reckon he was gassed. I have a picture of him taken months before his untimely death from lung cancer at the age of 44 (he looks older than his son did at 88).

1911 census -
Address: 5 Wellington Re Islington N
NORTHCOTH, Elias Herbert Head Married M 28 1883 Omnibus Conductor St Fagans Glamorgan
NORTHCOTH, Annie Louisa Wife Married
5 years F 29 1882 Wimbledon Surrey
NORTHCOTH, Ethel Annie Patimer Daughter Single F 5 1906 Islington London N
NORTHCOTH, Herbert Frederick Son Single M 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 Islington London N

I was thinking the same Ladykira, (about the poss father). Please don't apologise, I really appreciate your help. I have no problem with 'the bumpfh' I just thought I had misinterperated it.
I particularly appreciate your help as I too work, and I have had the luxury of a week off without work or study. My geneology background is that I did a lot of footwork research in the 80's and can't believe how quick it is with the internet now. I have revisited my research this week and have had a great time reading letters from my uncle and father.
There was a general understanding that Mary Ann's family received a small shop as recompense for bringing up the child (my Grandmother Anna Louisa)
To put it into perspective - I wanted to call my Dad and tell him about the info you found for me - unfortunately, he is no longer with us, but it means a lot.
Thanks

I also thoght it worthwhile putting the household of the 1881 census in this case as it gives insight into her situation at the time she became pregnant. Maybe one of the was the father?

Sorry Lesly
I was tired when I pasted it and did not realise the bumph was still there. was still there. It is Find My Past bumph

I am sorry but I have not mastered wading through military births yet. I work full time so I do not have the luxury of time yet.

That being said - military births are available at FindMyPast:

http://www.findmypast.com/MilitaryChooseSearchType.jsp

In the list there you will see:

Armed forces births 1761-1994

As I understand, they are not transcribed, and what you get is a page of entries to read for a particular date range.

Ladykira may have the right subscription to be able to look there for you.

Being a total foreigner, I don't know how one then gets a birth certificate in that situation, but I imagine it's not too complex and someone should be able to tell you.

Poor Lesley --


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-- this is complete bumph that some people, for some reason, copy and paste to posts here along with the actual meaningful info they're offering. (Don't say I said so, but it makes me almost as crazy as getting random PMs ... I have having to scroll through it all and filter out the wheat from the chaff.)

I'm not sure which particular site that bumph comes from - I use Ancestry and it has random bumph of its own.

Here's what I would do for that wallop of text - deleting everything that is not needed and that could confuse the unsuspecting newbie:



1881 census
Address: 200 & 202 Drapers Shop, Old Kent Rd, St George The Martyr Southwark

CATTON, Samuel Head Married 52 1829 Draper (Master Emping 10 Girls)
Chipping Norton Oxfordshire
CATTON, Thos Catherine Wife Married 52 1829
Middlesex
HALL, Margaret Assistant Single 19 1862 General Servant
Bermondsey Surrey
ROACH, Caroline Servant Single 21 1860 General Servant
West Clandon Surrey
HILL, Frederick Assistant Single 15 1866 Drapers Assistant
Tuddick Essex
WEST, Charles Assistant Single 18 1863 Drapers Assistant
Hull Yorkshire
WYM, Frederick Assistant Single 29 1852 Drapers Assistant
Umballa (B Subject) East Indies
CAPPS, Hannah Assistant Single 15 1866 Drapers Assistant
Wendling Norfolk
WOOLLARD, Charlotte Assistant Single 17 1864 Drapers Assistant
Mile End Middlesex
FERMER, Alice Assistant Single 17 1864 Drapers Assistant
Bromley by Bow Middlesex
BURBERRY, Mary Assistant Single 22 1859 Drapers Assistant
St Geo Southwark Surrey
TOPHAM, Harriet Assistant Single 24 1857 Drapers Assistant
St Neots Huntingdonshire
TURNER, Alice Assistant Single 17 1864 Drapers Assistant
Horsley Down Surrey
WARRINGTON, Minnie Assistant Single 19 1862 Drapers Assistant
Southwark Surrey


I delete the M and F for male and female, because I've seen the unaccustomed think they are middle initials. I rejoin the two parts of the place of birth to eliminate an unnecessary line for each person, and eliminate the "VIEW" that only serves to confused, since it doesn't apply at this site. And get rid of whatever the rest of that was. Isn't it prettier now?!

Frankly, I would probably also delete the details about the completely unrelated people. One of my favourites is when someone finds an individual in a workhouse or military barracks ... and dumps the entire list of 50 completely irrelevant people in the same institution into a post here.

There. I got to do my whine.

Apologies if I broke any rules. I am unused to this level of helpfulness and certainly wouldn't want to upset anyone or waste anyones time.

Ladykira - I didn't uunderstand your comment about military details:

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It is actually myself that I want to trace. I was born in a British Military hospital overseas, and although I have my birth certificate I am interested to know how it is registered. Are they/were they sent back in batches or when I came to UK (parents were in military)?

Well looks like no duplication was done. GR does not give helpful guidelines as standard so it does mean most people have to learn by making mistakes. There are several threads members have put up with helpful tips. Reading them will certainly work to your advantage.

Some people delete replies quickly so do copy and paste anything you are given even if is a maybe to mull over.