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Hi MaureeninNY.

I have the cert but it has in the box for mothers name it says X "mark of Mother" Sarah Donley, i take it X is because she could not write.

Just my luck, i will try through FreBMD.

Regards Simon

Oh! Sorry,I misread your post. Thought you'd received Frances Donley's birth cert as well.

Best,
Maureen

Hi MaureeninNY.

Not found out yet she , from the thread she was born in Bacup Lancashire 1850/51/52.

If you do find out please let me know.

Thank you for your interest, for me this is great as my middle name is Rochford and this is a big part of why i wanted to find out about Frances Rochford nee Donley and her husband John Rochford who's parents were Thomas and Bridget, so i will follow up on these too they were in county sligo.

Regards Simon.

That's so nice,Simon!!
Just out of curiousity,what was the mother Sarah's maiden name???

Maureen

Hi Dea, Hi Barbara and everyone who helped on this thread.

I have now got Frances Donley's birth cert and marriage cert.

it confirms the below that you had all thought.

I would just like to say a really big thank you to you all, this is fantastic news as one of Frances's daughters is still alive but very ill and she did not no much about her Gandparents who you very kindly found.

Many thanks Simonxx see below


1891
John Downing I am sure this should be Donley born 1852 Tailor Manchester
Edea 1874 Oldham
John 1882 Sheffield
Francis 1883 Sheffield
Catherine 1885 Sheffield
Estey 1887 Sheffield

Next door lived the Reid family
James Reid 1831 East Leake Notts
Mary wife Notts
William 1872 Attercliffe Sheffield
Lottie 1879 Sheffield
Frank A 1876 Sheffield
Harry 1883 Sheffield

■Please quote the following information when making enquiries:

District: Sheffield North
Birth - 134/16
Details: Frances DONLEY - 01/01/1883

■Anyone can apply for a copy of the certificates as long as the correct information is supplied.

■A birth certificate is not proof of identity though some organisations do accept it as such.

■The Sheffield Register Office is open Monday to Friday from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.

■The Sheffield Register office is situated at: -

Sheffield Register Office
The Town Hall
Pinstone Street
Sheffield
S1 2HH

(0114) 203 9423 or (0114) 203 9438

■The cost of certificates is as follows
Standard Birth Certificate £7.00
Short Birth Certificate £5.50

I think my head has stopped spinning around. Good job,Dea!!!

This fits in with Barbara's findings-except where has Sarah skipped off to in 1891,as it says John is married...
1901 Ancestry
Name: Sarah Donnolly
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bacup, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 286
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Donnolly 51 widow
John Donnolly 20 born Sheffield
Eve Donnolly 14 born Sheffield ( I think she's the Estey from 1891-I read it as Evey on that image.)
James Webb 50 lodger

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4363; Folio: 32; Page: 56.
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1911 census transcription details for: Court 12 No 2 Neville Street Sheffield

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN27930 RG78PN1598 RD510 SD5 ED7 SN241

Reg. District: Sheffield Sub District: West Brightside
Parish: Sheffield Enum. District: 7
Address: Court 12 No 2 Neville Street Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

BENNETT, George Head Married M 31 1880 Seimans Furnace Labourer Yorkshire Sheffield
BENNETT, Kate Wife Married (she'll be daughter Catherine,married as Kate DONLEY)
4 years F 25 1886 Yorkshire Sheffield
BENNETT, Annie Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1909 Yorkshire Sheffield
DONLEY, Sarah Widow F 63 1848 Lancashire Bacup


Maureen

Good morning Dea and Barbara.

This is great stuff!!

I think we are on the right track here, what i will do is go and get a birth cert for Francis, i live in sheffield and she was born her so it amkes sence, i will make sur i let you know, i will do this on Monday if i can find out were to get it, i have never asked for one, Francis has one of her daughters still living but she is very ill at the moment so i do not want to ask.

Thank you so much for all your work, speak soon.

I was looking at this one as being 'your' Frances but doesn't now seem so:

1901 England Census
about Frances Donley
Name: Frances Donley
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: North East Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
John Donley 34 Fruiterer.......... all family born Manchester.
Mary Donley 30
Alfred Donley 6
Mary Donley 8
Frances Donley 5
Joseph Donley 2
James Blair 25 boarder
Annie Carroll 45 boarder

at 48 George Leigh St.

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3740; Folio: 56; Page: 1.

Perhaps we can tie this in with what Barbara has found - may be related ?

Dea x

Hi Simon
Frances Donley is the sister in law of William Reid Eda is her sister.
I will try now to explain how I came to this

1881
John Donley 1852 a Tailor born Manchester
Sarah wife 1851 Manchester
Cad 1873 Manchester

1891
John Downing I am sure this should be Donley born 1852 Tailor Manchester
Edea 1874 Oldham
John 1882 Sheffield
Francis 1883 Sheffield
Catherine 1885 Sheffield
Estey 1887 Sheffield

Next door lived the Reid family
James Reid 1831 East Leake Notts
Mary wife Notts
William 1872 Attercliffe Sheffield
Lottie 1879 Sheffield
Frank A 1876 Sheffield
Harry 1883 Sheffield

1901 This is the one we already have with Albert Howard
William Reid 1873 Sheffield
Eda 1873 Wife Oldham
Annie 1896
Elizabeth 1900

It was Eda name spelt different way that was the clue and where she was born
I cannot find the marriage certs for them
The Reids are also on the 1911 census
I hope this makes sense and if you need anything else please let me know
Regards
Barbara

Hi Barbara.

Thats really good thank you, i can rule Clara out as she was wood, i can rule the lady called Reid at same address as Francis in 1901.

So why was Albert Howard ,Francis Donley's sister in law in 1901 well if Francis had a sister that married Alberts brother or if Francis had a brother who married a sister of Albert Howard.

I can't find any information on Francis Having a brother or sister. and i cant even find her mum and dad.

A big mystery!

Thank you for helping me rule out Clara Howard nee wood.

Regards Simon.

Name: Clara Howard
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Spouse's Name: Albert E
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mark H Howard 47
Emily Howard 42
Albert E Howard 21
Clara Howard 22
George W Howard 10
John Howard 8
Walter Howard 6
Lilly Howard 4
Lilly Howard 2
Emily Howard 5/12


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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
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HOWARD Albert Edward Sheffield 9c 643
Wood Clara Sheffield 9c 643

Simon buy her birth cert to find out her parents names



June x

Part - whatever!! - I am tired now!! (tee hee)

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3825; Folio 56; Page 30; GSU roll: 6098935.

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Astra 19th October 2009 11:18 Request review
Simon
You have four threads running on Frances Donley all containing information.
Can you please restrict it to one thread so that people know what has been found before otherwise you just waste everybody's time.
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1184075
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1183974
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1183249

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BARBARAfromYorkshire 19th October 2009 11:36 Request review
Clara in 1901 census ? says she is Married --but Head of this gamily

Name: Clara Howard
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield Park St John
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England



Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members:
Name Age
Clara Howard 32
Lillie Howard 12
Emily Howard 10
Walter Howard 2

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4370; Folio: 94; Page: 15.

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Simon 19th October 2009 15:15 Request review
hi barbara,

Thank you for your help on this, Clara Howard do you know if i could find her maiden name.

Simon

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Astra 19th October 2009 15:43 Request review
If I remember rightly from tracing this through yesterday she was Clara Wood and they married in 1888 I think. Couldn't link her to Donley at all so didn't post it.

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Simon 19th October 2009 15:52 Request review
Hi Astra.

Thank you, so that means if Francis's brother in law was Albert Ernest Howard Francis may have had a brother who married Alberts sister!!

Does that sound right!!

I wish i could find Francis living with her parents and siblings!!

Thank you foe all you help Astra.

Kind regards Simon.

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Thanks, on Simon's behalf for any help!

Dea x

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Simon 18th October 2009 17:29 Request review
Hello, i had a great great grandmother called Francis Donley, she was born in 1884 Sheffield i can find her marrage to John Rochfrod and ican find her living with her married sister Eda (not sure about this first name)Reid nee Donley when she was aged 17 that was 1901, i can not find anything befor that date can anyone help.

Simon Rochford Holland

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Jacqueline 18th October 2009 17:34 Request review
Hi Simon,

Name: Frances Donley
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 422

The head of the household in 1901 is actually an Albert Ernest Howard and she is his sister in law
Regards Jackie

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Simon 18th October 2009 17:37 Request review
Hi Jacqueline.

Thats fab thank you, can you find anything regarding parents or siblings

Thank you so much for your help.

Simon.


Simon 18th October 2009 17:42 Request review
But It say Edna married!! what do you think

Regards Simon

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Sue C 18th October 2009 17:48 Request review
Sorry.....I deleted in error.

Yes, Edna was married by the time of the1901 census.

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HOWARD, Albert Ernest Head Married M 31 1870 Collier Coal Miner Hewer
Sheffield
Yorkshire
REID, William Joseph Boarder Married M 28 1873 Porter On Railway
Sheffield
Yorkshire
REID, Eda Boarder Married F 28 1873
Oldham
Lancashire
REID, Annie Boarder Single F 5 1896
Sheffield
Yorkshire
REID, Elizabeth Boarder Single F 0 (10 MOS) 1901
Sheffield
Yorkshire
DONLEY, Francis Sister-In-Law Single F 17 1884 Screw Turner
Sheffield
Yorkshire

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4375 Folio:
81 Page:
31

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
East Brightside EnumerationDistrict:
18 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Neepsend St Michael & All Angels

Civil Parish:
Brightside Bierlow Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Pye Bank Macro Street, Brightside Bierlow County:
Yorkshire (West riding)


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Tenerife Sun 18th October 2009 17:51 Request review
Eda was Edith - the marriage of Edith and William Joseph Reid

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
Reid William Joseph Sheffield 9c 590 Scan available - click to view
Whittaker Edith Sheffield 9c 590 Scan available - click to view

Wendy


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Simon 19th October 2009 09:31 Request review
I have found the birth of my GGGmother Francis Donley in Sheffield 1886.
In 1901 she was living in the house of Albert Ernest Howard and show as sister in Law but it does not show a sister just some lodgers. this means she had a sister but i can't find the sister, mother or father and may be even more siblings.

I also have found her marrage to John Rochford in 1905 then nothing, so i know of her birth and marrage but nothing before living in 1901 and nothing after her marrage in 1905.

Any ideas would be great, lots of people helped me find the above info and they have been fantastic.but i just can't find more about Francis Donley.

Thank you Simon

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Helen 19th October 2009 10:10 Request review
Can't find a marriage for Albert Howard to a 'Donley' with variations on the name.


Simon 19th October 2009 10:14 Request review
This would sugest Albert had a brother who married a Donley girl to make Francis Donley Alberts brother in law, does this make sense!!

Thank you for your help Helen

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June Lewis 19th October 2009 10:45 Request review
Name: Frances Donley
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 422 (click to see others on page)

June x

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June Lewis 19th October 2009 16:28 Request review
1891

Name: Albert E Howard
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Spouse's Name: Clara
Father's Name: Mark H
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England



Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mark H Howard 47
Emily Howard 42
Albert E Howard 21
Clara Howard 22 daughter in law
George W Howard 10
John Howard 8
Walter Howard 6
Lilly Howard 4
Lilly Howard 2 grandaughter
Emily Howard 5/12 grandaughter

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Hi all,,

Simon has, by accident started new threads on this same subject - he is new to the boards and is very willing to learn and in need of help.

I refer you to his original threads:

This was the original thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1183249



Simon 14th October 2009 16:49 Request review
I am trying to find information on John Rochford who was born around 1880's in or around Boyel / Ballinameen Sligo ireland, he then at the age of 16/17 came and joined the army ref the boar war, he then married a girl from Sheffield called Francis Donley.

Any info would be graet.

Simon Rochford Holland

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Dea 14th October 2009 16:56 Request review
This would be the marriage:

Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
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Coggan Mary Ann Sheffield 9c 885
>>>DONELLY Frances Sheffield 9c 885
Loftus Patrick Sheffield 9c 885
>>>ROCHFORD John Sheffield 9c 885
VAUGHAN Willis Wood Sheffield 9c 885

Note the spellings for Frances!!

What is it you are trying to find?

Dea x



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Mel 14th October 2009 16:57 Request review
John Rochford Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 11 AUG 1877 , Sligo, Ireland

Parents:
Father: Thomas Rochford Family
Mother: Bridget Dyer


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.


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Dea 14th October 2009 17:18 Request review
pm received from Simon.

Simon New message from Simon 14/10/2009 17:05:49

New message to Dea

From Simon

Hi Dea, I note Francis is spelt with e but it's Donley not Donelly

Any thoughts

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my reply:

Things were often spelled incorrectly - not everyone was 'literate' in those days and things were written down as spoken.

I still think this is most probably the correct marriage, unless you know otherwise?

Can you reply on the thread rather than pm so that other people trying to help can also see the info. - It is also easier for you as you don't have to send out so many seperate replies.

To do this, click on the purple 'reply' button at the top of your thread and type the new info in the box then click submit.

I will post your info on there to help the others searching.

Best regards,

Dea x


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Dea 14th October 2009 17:21 Request review
Simon,

This is the only marriage between 1895 and 1930 in Sheffield which 'fits'.

I cannot find them on 1911 - Do you know if they may have gone back to Ireland or did they remain in Sheffield area?

Dea x

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Simon 14th October 2009 17:32 Request review
Hi Dea

I think you are correct.

They stayed in Sheffield but i can't find anything on John after that.

Simon

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Simon 14th October 2009 17:35 Request review
Hi Dea.

Sorry i didn't say "Thank you for your help"

Simon Rochford Holland

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Simon 14th October 2009 17:37 Request review
Hi Mel.

Thank you.

Did John have any brothers or sisters that you can see.

Regards Simon Rochford Holland

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Dea 14th October 2009 17:37 Request review
I believe I have them on 1911 (mistranscribed!!):

ROCHFORTH, John Head Married M 32 1879 Steel Dresser Turtun Co Sligo Resident VIEW
ROCHFORTH, Frances Wife Married 5 years F 28 1883 Sheffield Yorkshire Resident VIEW
ROCHFORTH, Margaret Daughter F 5 1906 Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
ROCHFORTH, Josephine Daughter F 4 1907 Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
ROCHFORTH, George Thomas Son M 1 1910 Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
QUIN, John Lodger Single M 33 1878 Labourer Ireland VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27967 Reference:
RG14PN27967 RG78PN1599 RD510 SD6 ED8 SN256

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
East Brightside EnumerationDistrict:
8 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
Court 21 House 3 Carlisle St Sheffield County:
Yorkshire (West riding)


Dea x

EDIT - It is not mistranscribed - the image says Rochforth but I still think it may be the correct family?

Do you know the names of any of their children?

Dea x

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Simon 14th October 2009 17:46 Request review
Hi Dea.

That must be them and it's the spelling again, i will do some more work, anything else please let me know.

Thank you so much. Simon.

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Mel 14th October 2009 17:52 Request review
Simon not that i can find from the other Christening

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Dea 14th October 2009 18:26 Request review
You are very welcome Simon.

Dea x

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Continued on next post,

Dea x

Sorry Simon - Have family round just at the moment.

Try going to each of your threads and copying the info into word or notebook.

Once you have it all together - sort all the info - everything which has been found on all family members, then paste it back into just one thread.

If you can't sort it I will look again tomorrow,

Best wishes,

Dea x

Hi Dea.

Help! i don't know how to paste all the Donley threads in to one.

Simon x

Don't worry Simon, - you are forgiven but if you could just try to paste it all onto the one thread it would make life so much easier. We all have to learn !! x

If you need any help doing that, just yell !

Dea x

I will try to paste it all over to this thread, we know everything about Francis but not her parents i started a new thread as i thought it was the right thing to do.

I take an board what you are saying and will add to any existing threads if they are related to that thread, i have only just realised that if i add to a thread it then becomes seen as new, i thoght they just got lost in the list of old threads, i am very sorry and can see what you all mean.

Sorry Simon or daft Simon.