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THIS IS NOT THE END OF THIS THREAD! I HOPE.

This is just to update and thank all the people that have given up so much time to get to the stage below. i will be continuing this thread as so much more of the following families are involved and can be found, DONLEY / WHITTAKER / ROCHFORD / REID.

Please see below.

Frances Donley and Eda Whittaker were step sisters born to the same mother Sarah Whittaker nee Lord / Sarah Donley nee Lord, Sarah was my Great Great Grandmother and was born around 1851 in Bacup, Lancashire

Eda Whittaker my Half Great Grandmother was born on 17th April 1874, in Oldham Below Town, Oldham, 1 Court, Chadderton Road, father Whittaker Thorpe Whittaker,he was an Iron Turner, mother Sarah Whittaker nee Lord.

Frances Donley my Great Grandmother was born 17th August 1883, in Sheffield, 53 Snow Lane, father John Donley, he was a tailor journeyman, he lived with Sarah and Eda before they came to Sheffield. mother Sarah Donley nee Lord.

We have not yet found any marriage for Sarah to any of the above, following the path over the last few months we found all this, i got all the birth and marriage certs as i wanted to be confident i was correct, they underpin our findings, even down to Sarah Donley been at the marriage of Eda and William Reid.

Frances went on to marry John Rochford who was from Sligo in Ireland, they married in sheffield in 1905, they had eight children one of them was my Grandmother who died 2002, she always said that Sarah had been married before, she was right, one of France's other daughters is still living, i have not been able to tell her all about this as she is really ill, we hope we can let her know before it's too late.

I hope this will coninue Regards Simon.

Yes i know i can't type and spell at the same time, it's a man thing!!!

Durrhhh !! - You have 'floored me now Simon - I am not very technical and my husband is out getting soaked on the golf course !! (tee hee - serves him right!).

Anyway, yes, I believe I do have a fax facility set up so I will pm you my fax number and we will see how we get on?

Dea x

Hi Dea.

Sorry no scanner. i can fax though.

Simon.

103 now Simon - Not bad going eh ??

I will keep a look out for the marriages for you and get back if I find anything.

Re the cert and something you cannot read on there! - Are you able to scan it into your computer and e-mail me a copy? - I could then take a look for you.

Dea x

P.S. - Wierdly, - had she lived that long, your Eda would have been celebrating her 100th birthday on the very day my son was born !! - 17th April, 1974.

Dea x

Dea.

Just looking at the address at Chadderton road on the cert it does say something under but can't make it out.

Simon.

Hi Dea,

thank you for your help.

I seem to have a better picture now, but i can't find the marriage for WTW and Sarah Lord, it does look like the same Sarah Lord all the way with Eda and Frances, which is a possertive.

Oh and i can't find a Sarah Lord or Whittaker to John Donley unless the Donley on John is spelt differently!!.

Thank you for helping i could not do all this on my own.

Simon.

100 that is a long thread don't you think!

Hi Simon,

Just wanted to be the one to post 'reply no 100' on your thread - Congrats !!

Anyway, I have printed off all the pages and am going through it looking to see what loose ends we now need to tie up.

Speak soon,

Dea x

Just looking at the census for 1871.

WTW was aged 35 years old, living with Betty wife and children also others at the address.

I am sure i did see a marriage for Elizabeth (Betty) Lord to a Whittaker, i wonder if WTW had a fling with his wifes sister Sarah !! just a thought.

I have also noticed next door are a Lord family but no SArah, Sarah would have been about 20 years old then.

Does this help!

Simon.

Well it's arrived.

Eda's birth certified.


Name if any: Eda
When and where: 17th April 1874, 1. Court Chadderton Road.
Name and Surname of Father: Whittaker Thorpe Wittaker.
Name,Surname and Maiden name of Mother:Sarah Whittaker, formerly Lord.
Occupation of Father: Iron Turner.

I think this all fits, i am sure on one of my search's i saw WTW as iron turner, i can't find it now.

Simon.xx

Hi Simon,

I think you should wait for the birth cert incase Sarah was married before and Lord is not her maiden name.



June x

Hi All,

Spent another 3 hours trying to match a Sarah to a Whittaker and a Sarah to a Donley, and i have found nothing at all, i am not sure which direction to go in now.

Speak soon Simon.

Hi Dea,

Thank you for lifting my spirits, i feel this is good news, as requested i have put as much as i can below.

1892 Marriage solemnized at The parish in the parish of Neepsend in the county of Sheffield.

When: Sept 18th 1892.
Name and Surname: William Joseph Reid / Edith Whittaker.
Age: Both 21 years old.
Condition: Bachelor / Spinster.
Rank: Carter.
Residence: William, 7 Court,Oborn Street? / Edith, Spencer St.
Fathers Name and Surname.: James Reid / Whittaker Thorpe Whittaker.
Rank or Profession of Father. Stoc Ringer / Engineer.
Married in the: Parish Church.
This marriage is solomnized between us: William Joseph Reid / Edith Reid x her mark.
In th Prsence of us: William Wallis / Sarah Donley x her mark.

I hope this helps.

Simon xx

Wow Simon - Great news - it is looking very good now.

I have lost track a little though so I am going back through all of the thread to try to 'sort it' in my head again.

We are 'almost' there!

In the meantime can you post ALL the details from that marriage cert please - date, addresses, ages, fathers, occupations etc and any other witnesses - just so we have it all together to follow through.

Thanks,

Dea x

I agree Maureen, the nearest we have come is her living with John Donley and Cad(Eda) in Manchester he was a tailor as he was when Frances got married.

No Marriages can't work it out!

Whittaker Whittaker never heard it till last week, and thorpe thrown in!

I will keep on the trail.

Sx

Simon,
I have no doubt that Sarah is Eda's mother. It's just that she (Sarah) never seems to marry any of these chaps,so it's difficult to tell which Sarah LORD (or whoever) she really is.

Just as an aside-who knew there were so many Whittaker WHITTAKERs........

Maureen

I think this is fab news because as near as it could be without yet seeing Eda's birth certs it ties Eda W ? Sarah Donley nee Lord and France Donley together, just hope that edith W mothers maiden name is Sarah Lord.

I am over the moon, but like Maureen is feeling, i need to tie Sarah Lord to Whittaker Thorpe Whittaker and then them splitting up and Sarah marries John Donley.

Oh n Help!!!!!

What do I think? I think I'm going to cry!!!!!!

Have to go and do some housework (any excuse to get out of this tangled web) ,but I'll be back.

Hang in there,Simon. Sigh.

Maureen

OK, i have recieved the Marriage cert of William Joseph Reid and Edith Whittaker. In Sheffield sept 18 1892, both 21 years of age.

Fathers name, Whittaker Thorpe Whittaker.

And wait for it, in the Presence of Sarah Donley.

Ok ladies what do you think. i ahve not yet got the birth cert.

Simon.

Oh June!

Is that not the start of a song!

So so so sorry, i get mixed up with all the names on this thread, i think i have started something thats gone mad!

Sorry, don't tell the rest! i will put an extra choc in your box.

S x

awww Maureen not speaking to that Simon he forgot me sob sob lol




June x