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Ozi

Brilliant Work Ozi, thanks so much for being on the ball and thinking outside the square.

Good work, and I really appreciate you efforts.

Bron

There can be 2 or more couples per page of a registration index. In the case of Rees Thomas there is only one other couple.

Pengelly Charles Swansea 11a 843
Cobham Mary Ann Swansea 11a 843

Thomas Rees Swansea 11a 843
Davies Sarah Swansea 11a 843

Because you've seen the census transcription you assume he married the only Sarah. From this information you can order the marriage cert if you wanted. Only order through GRO [General Records Office] otherwise you could be charged more than their rate of £7.

However I've gone one step further & checked out Charles Pengelly, a fairly unusual name. You're in luck because he's with his in-laws.
1871 Wales Census
Name: Charles Pengelly
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son in Law
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England
Civil parish: Swansea
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity and Swansea
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members:
Name Age
William Copham 45
Ann Copham 44
Mary Ann Pengelly 25
Charles Pengelly 25


Making it pretty certain that Charles Pengelly married Mary Ann Copham/Cobham therefore Rees Thomas married Sarah Davies.

Hi Ozi

Thanks for the heads up. With regards to your last paragraph regarding Sarah. Not sure how to read it. Are you saying that, the only marriage with regards to a Sarah in that period was.......... if so, what does the

Cobham Mary Ann Swansea 11a 843
Davies Sarah Swansea 11a 843
Pengelly Charles Swansea 11a 843
Thomas Rees Swansea 11a 843

the above mean??

Sorry for being a bit slow but I don't know how to read that.

Thanks

Bron

Happy to do it for you, Bron, however did you know 1881 is free on www.familysearch.org

1881 Wales Census
Name: Rees Thomas
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Llangyfelach
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Forest Fach
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llandilotalybont
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Rees Thomas 49
Sarah Thomas 41 - Llangyfelach, Glamorgan
Thomas Thomas 17 - Coal Miner
Ann Thomas 15
Llewelyn Thomas 14 - Coal Miner
William Thomas 12 - scholar
Margaret J. Thomas 10 - scholar
Sarah Thomas 8 - scholar
Job Thomas 5
Mary Thomas 3
Catherine Thomas



1871 Wales Census
Name: Rees Thomas
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangyfelach, Glamorganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llangyfelach
Town: Penderry Lower
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Forest Fach

Occupation: Collier

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llandilotalybont
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Rees Thomas 39
Sarah Thomas 31
Thomas Thomas 7
Ann Thomas 5
Llewelyn Thomas 4
William Thomas 2
Margarett Thomas 5 months


Only marriage about that time with a Sarah.
Marriages Jun 1864
Cobham Mary Ann Swansea 11a 843
Davies Sarah Swansea 11a 843
Pengelly Charles Swansea 11a 843
Thomas Rees Swansea 11a 843

Hello Ozi, and thank you for being proactive. would love the info on Rees Thomas, would you be able to give that too me?

Very much appreciated and thank you for your time.

Bron

Considering Jemima was 52 in 1851 I would think that John was her last known child. See my 2nd posting on this thread.

I can't find Jemima or Thomas after 1851. There are 3 Jemima Thomas deaths between 1851 & 1861 registered in Swansea, & 38 Thomas Thomas.

Rees Thomas remains in Forest fach, and in 1888 has 9 children.

It's a bit difficult to follow the others as there are quite a lot of Thomas with the same first names born about the same time.

Hello, Just looking at William Thomas Death Cert, it states in 1870 when he died he was 43years, which makes his birth date around 1827, and says his parents names are Thomas Thomas and Jemima Thomas. It didn't say her maiden name. So everything matches up. Did they have census after 1864 in Wales? Just wondering if THomas and Jemima had any other children, after John THomas (census 1841) was 1 year old.

Thanks again

Bron

Hello, Just looking at William Thomas Death Cert, it states in 1870 when he died he was 43years, which makes his birth date around 1827, and says his parents names are Thomas Thomas and Jemima Thomas. It didn't say her maiden name. So everything matches up. Did they have census after 1864 in Wales? Just wondering if THomas and Jemima had any other children, after John THomas (census 1841) was 1 year old.

Thanks again

Bron

Hello and Brillian work. SOrry I wasn't on earlier my husband did his back in so I've been trying to see doctors etc.

Just found out that when William Thomas, his wife Ann and daughter came to australia as I said previous that Sarah Griffiths and Thomas Thomas was with them. Thomas Thomas was incorrect and was suppose to be Thomas Griffiths, Sarah's husband, hence thinking he was a brother.

So William's mother's name was Jemima Harris, Brilliant work and thanks soooo much for your help, you are all very clever hence me emailing you all the time. :c)

Kindest regards

Bron

I wonder what happened to Bronwyn? I did pm her to let her know there was more info on her thread.

Ozi

It helped once his mother's real name was known.

Ozi

Well done Ozibird - You have been busy and very successful by the look of things!

IGI Individual Record
THOMAS THOMAS
Marriages:
Spouse: JEMIMA HARRIS
Marriage: 25 SEP 1821 Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales
Messages:
>>>>>>Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. <<<<<<<<<<<
Source Information:
Batch Number: 7218513

A good chance this is him with his family. Brother Thomas is not 10 years younger though.

1841 Wales Census
Name: William Thomas
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Llangafelach
Hundred: Llangafelach
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Forrest fach

Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llandilotalybont
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Name
Thomas Thomas 40 - Collier
Jemima Thomas 40
William Thomas 15
Thomas Thomas 11
Rees Thomas 10
David Thomas 4
John Thomas 1

The village of Llangyfelach is located in the City and County of Swansea, Wales. Llangyfelach is situated about 4 miles north of Swansea city centre.

Also this is on GenUKI - Fforest Fach in the Parish of Llangyfelach (as in 1851). Two collieries there at one time - Mynydd Newydd Colliery & Worcester Colliery.

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1851 Wales Census
Name: Jemima Thomas
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Llangyfelach
Civil Parish or Township: Llangyfelach
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Forest vach[?]

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llandilo
ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Thomas 57 - collier & labourer
Jemima Thomas 52
Rees Thomas 18
David Thomas 13
John Thomas 10
Rachel Mathew 21 - servant

All born in the Parish of Llangyfelach.


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1851 Wales Census
Name: William Thomas
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangyfelach, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llangynwyd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Metcalfe Street

Occupation: Iron Founder

Registration district: Neath
Sub-registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
David Daniel 27
Gwenllian Daniel 23
Elizabeth Daniel 3
Daniel Daniel 9 Mo
John Daniel 23
William Thomas 24
William Williams 22
Joseph Thomas 19



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1861 Wales Census
Name: William Thomas
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangefelach, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Aberdare
Town: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 40 Cardiff Road (Shop)

Occupation: Collier

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Mason 36
Ann Mason 26
Mary Ann Mason 1
William Davies 45 <<<<<<<< witness?
Evan Davies 19
James Jones 21
William Thomas 34

Bron, you won't get a cert because they didn't start in England & Wales until September 1837. You need a baptism record.

Ozi

Hello

I've tried to locate a birth cert for William Thomas, but to no avail. He was born in Swansea, Wales in 1827-8. Parents were Thomas Thomas and Jemima. Haven't checked any census as I don't have access. He left Wales in 1864 for Australia. He has a brother named Thomas who is 10 years younger than him.

Would really appreciate any help locating a birthdate, siblings names and/or mother's maiden name.

Thanks kindly

Bron

Hi Sue

I'm in NSW, Australia. Inward Passangers list on the Public Records Of Victoria Unassisted and assisted.

Please see my last note.

Bron