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AuntySherlock
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4 Oct 2009 21:40 |
And the Elizabeth Mansfield age 70 in the 1841 census would have a dob of about 1771. That is also Elizabeth Summerton nee Mansfield's approximate date of birth. Her mother would have a date of birth around 1751.
Am I reading that info correctly??!
I like the Daniel. I couldn't find any reference to him and the given name Daniel is not continued through into the descendants. Need to wonder why particularly as this family was very big on continuing names.
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AuntySherlock
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4 Oct 2009 21:34 |
George, son of Thomas and Elizabeth died in 1895. The George who died in 1841 could have been a brother to Thomas. Our information starts with Thomas christened 1809.
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 21:24 |
When I added this one You had not given me a clue about her date of birth and I was looking to see if posssible parents were still in Shoreditch
Possible mother?
1841 census - household transcription Person: MANSFIELD, Elizth Address: Duncan Court, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets
DYKE, John M 85 1756 Middlesex VIEW DYKE, Mary F 85 1756 Middlesex VIEW MANSFIELD, Elizth F 70 1771 Middlesex VIEW SEBLY, Benjmin M 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW SEBLY, Elizabeth F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW STEELS, Henry M 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW STEELS, Mary F 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW CRIPPLE, Susan F 6 1835 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, Mary F 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, Abram M 14 1827 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, George M 10 1831 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, James M 7 1834 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, John M 5 1836 Middlesex
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 21:18 |
can't remember if we found this
Deaths Dec 1841 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMERTON G* Banbury 16 5
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 21:06 |
I am finding few results for Daniel.
This one is not too far away
DANIEL MANSFIELD Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET PERFECT Family Marriage: 22 AUG 1814 Saint Saviour, Southwark, Surrey, England
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AuntySherlock
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4 Oct 2009 21:06 |
Two other thoughts. Her Thomas died in c1843 so he should still be showing in the 1841 census unless of course he died earlier before the census in 1841. Then Elizabeth being on her own aged 70 would fit. However she would be Elizabeth Summerton and not Elizabeth Mansfield in the census.
The other possibility which is further away in a date match is the one with William as her father. William is used as a family name in the next generation.
This is all supposition. You can play tricks with any of the sets of names and still be incorrect.
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AuntySherlock
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4 Oct 2009 20:56 |
We believe the possible date of birth is 1772. Elizabeth Summerton was buried aged 63 18 Dec 1835 Kings Sutton All Saints Northamptonshire. Husband Thomas, son George daughter Elizabeth Hawkins and grandson Gayton aged 6 are all buried there.
This is one of the pieces of information we are seeking.
I noticed on the marriage paper she spelled her name Elisabeth. This puts the 15 Mar 1770 as a possibility. However the middle name throws me for a bit. Would she not have used that on her marriage paper. Also there is a Daniel Mansfield who was witness at her marriage to Thomas.
These are all very tenuous links as her age may have been misstated and her name misspelt.
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 16:43 |
Do any of these stand out?
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4 Oct 2009 16:42 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ELIZABETH MANSFIELD Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 19 JUL 1789 Christening: 09 AUG 1789 Saint Luke Old Street, Finsbury, London, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM MANSFIELD Family Mother: MARY C020692
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 16:40 |
IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ELISABETH STEVENS MANSFIELD Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 15 MAR 1770 Christening: 08 APR 1770 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: EDWARD MANSFIELD Family Mother: SARAH C040811
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 16:37 |
ELIZABETH MANSFIELD Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 19 MAY 1767 Christening: 25 MAY 1767 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES MANSFIELD Family Mother: ELIZABETH
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 16:36 |
Do you have any idea when or where she was born? This is practically impossible at the moment.
poss ELIZABETH MANSFIELD Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 14 SEP 1766 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England Parents: Father: BENJAMIN MANSFIELD Family Mother: ELIZABETH
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 16:14 |
1841 census - household transcription Person: MANSFIELD, Anthony Address: Paul Street, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets TINDLER, Henry M 25 1816 VIEW TINDLER, Ann F 35 1806 VIEW TINDLER, Elzabeth F 2 1839 Middlesex VIEW LIGETT, Wm M 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW LIGETT, Jane F 35 1806 VIEW LIGETT, Ann F 3 1838 Middlesex VIEW COLDMAN, John M 25 1816 VIEW COLDMAN, Mary F 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW COLDMAN, Mary F 1 1840 Middlesex VIEW MANSFIELD, Elenor F 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW MANSFIELD, Anthony M 30 1811 Middlesex
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 16:13 |
1841 census - household transcription Person: MANSFIELD, Richard Address: Kingsland Road, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets MANSFIELD, Richard M 45 1796 Middlesex VIEW MANSFIELD, Harriott F 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW MANSFIELD, Silvia F 13 1828 Middlesex
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 16:12 |
1841 census - household transcription Person: MANSFIELD, Sarah Address: Kingsland Road, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets
COWLES, Giles M 55 1786 Middlesex VIEW COWLES, Jane F 45 1796 Middlesex VIEW COWLES, Harriet F 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW COWLES, Hannah F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW COWLES, Harriet F 2 1839 Middlesex VIEW MERRET, Charles M 35 1806 VIEW MERRET, Jane F 25 1816 VIEW HOLT, James M 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW MANSFIELD, Sarah F 65 1776 Middlesex VIEW WELLING, Mary F 20 1821 Middlesex
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2009 16:11 |
There are only a few Mansfield families in Shoreditch in 1841. If Elizabeth married there 1803 it is possible that other Mansfield families in Shoreditch may be related. It is the only clue we have at the moment.
Possible mother?
1841 census - household transcription Person: MANSFIELD, Elizth Address: Duncan Court, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets DYKE, John M 85 1756 Middlesex VIEW DYKE, Mary F 85 1756 Middlesex VIEW MANSFIELD, Elizth F 70 1771 Middlesex VIEW SEBLY, Benjmin M 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW SEBLY, Elizabeth F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW STEELS, Henry M 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW STEELS, Mary F 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW CRIPPLE, Susan F 6 1835 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, Mary F 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, Abram M 14 1827 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, George M 10 1831 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, James M 7 1834 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, John M 5 1836 Middlesex
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LadyKira
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2 Oct 2009 23:13 |
I cannot see anything interesting there
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2 Oct 2009 23:11 |
1841 census - household transcription Person: MANSFIELD, Elenor Address: Paul Street, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets TINDLER, Henry M 25 1816 VIEW TINDLER, Ann F 35 1806 VIEW TINDLER, Elzabeth F 2 1839 Middlesex VIEW LIGETT, Wm M 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW LIGETT, Jane F 35 1806 VIEW LIGETT, Ann F 3 1838 Middlesex VIEW COLDMAN, John M 25 1816 VIEW COLDMAN, Mary F 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW COLDMAN, Mary F 1 1840 Middlesex VIEW MANSFIELD, Elenor F 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW MANSFIELD, Anthony M 30 1811 Middlesex
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LadyKira
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2 Oct 2009 23:10 |
1841 census - household transcription Person: MANSFIELD, Elizth Address: Duncan Court, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets DYKE, John M 85 1756 Middlesex VIEW DYKE, Mary F 85 1756 Middlesex VIEW MANSFIELD, Elizth F 70 1771 Middlesex VIEW SEBLY, Benjmin M 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW SEBLY, Elizabeth F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW STEELS, Henry M 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW STEELS, Mary F 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW CRIPPLE, Susan F 6 1835 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, Mary F 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, Abram M 14 1827 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, George M 10 1831 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, James M 7 1834 Middlesex VIEW HARTLY, John M 5 1836 Middlesex
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LadyKira
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2 Oct 2009 23:09 |
1841 census - household transcription Person: MANSFIELD, James Address: Shoreditch, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets MORRITT, David M 50 1791 VIEW MORRITT, Esther F 50 1791 VIEW BONNY, Robert M 15 1826 VIEW BIRD, Robert M 15 1826 VIEW MANSFIELD, James M 15 1826 VIEW CHALLIS, John M 15 1826 VIEW GROVES, Jane F 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW HELLYER, Henrietta F 50 1791 VIEW SMITH, Thomas M 20 1821 VIEW ARNOT, Philip M 30 1811 VIEW
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