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I have them on the 1841 census with Mary's family.
Mary was born 22/09/1809 and baptised 29/10/1809 at St Alfege.

He was a waterman and born in county.

I have found nothing else about Martin Mary or Charles Weigner on any census, BMD or family search.
I do not have access to 1851 for this area.
I do not have a marriage for them or his birth.
I know about the rest of the family.
I do not know what relation if any Mary Carr has to the family.

1841 Address: Queen Street, Greenwich
MAYETTE, Charlotte F 20 1821 Kent (Should read Margetts}
MAYETTE, Elizabeth F 2 1839 Kent
MAYETTE, George M 0 (3 months) 1841 Kent
BAULF, Mary F 60 1781 Kent
WEIGNER, Martin M 30 1811 Kent
WEIGNER, Mary F 30 1811 Kent
WEIGNER, Charles M 4 1837 Kent
CARR, Mary Ann F 56 1785

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1851 England Census about Charles Waggoner
Name: Charles Waggoner
Age: 14



Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil parish: Greenwich
Town: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 232
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Waggoner 45 widow Waterman
Charles Waggoner 14
Robert Waggoner 5
Mary Baulf 45
Christine Waggoner


Edit you're welcome!

Births Sep 1846 (>99%)
Weegner Robert Martin Greenwich 5 219

poss death reg

Name: Mary Waggoner
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 5
Page: 165 (click to see others on page

That looks perfect for 1851 .

Thankyou ۩ Lindsey

Does this fit in anywhere?


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1861 census transcription details for: 5, Hog Lane, St Alphage, Greenwich
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 401 Folio: 83 Page: 6

Reg. District: Greenwich Sub District: 4 Greenwich East
Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: St Alphage City/Municipal Borough: Greenwich
Address: 5, Hog Lane, St Alphage, Greenwich
County: London, Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
COOMLES, Richard Head Married M 48 1813 Labourer
London
Middlesex
COOMLES, Mary A Wife Married F 48 1813 Shopkeeper (chandlers shop)
Greenwich
Kent
BAULF, Mary A Daughter In Law Unmarried F 20 1841
Greenwich
Kent
BAULF, William Son In Law Unmarried M 16 1845 Pupil Teacher
Greenwich
Kent
BAULF, Henry T Son In Law M 15 1846 Shop Boy
Greenwich
Kent
CLINKER, Ann Mother In Law Widow F 80 1781
London
Middlesex
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Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%)
>>Baulf Mary Ann Greenwich 5 306 Scan available - click to view
Beal Thomas Greenwich 5 306 Scan available - click to view
>>Combs Richard Greenwich 5 306 Scan available - click to view
Cross Catherine Greenwich 5 306 Scan available - click to view
Griffiths Amelia Harriet Greenwich 5 306 Scan available - click to view
Phillips Eliza Greenwich 5 306 Scan available - click to view
Rolls Edward Jacques Greenwich 5 306 Scan available - click to view
Wakeling William Clayton Greenwich 5 306



EDIT No forget this. Her father was John Clinker.

Still a puzzle why Martin David is recorded as Thomas in 1851

He is recorded as a widow and Mary gives her maiden name unless they did not marry.

I have found a bit more but my internet kicked off my last reply.

I wonder about Christine. perhaps she is from a child from the first marriage?

Here is Robert's baptism. They lived at Queen Street and he was a waterman.
. Surname looks like Weggner.


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Robert Waggner
Name: Robert Waggner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 22 Sep 1854
Father's Name: Martie David Waggner (should be Martin)
Mother's Name: Mary Waggner
Parish: Saint Alfege
Borough: Greenwich
County: Middlesex

Thankyou for looking ***alviegal***

Mary Ann Clinker first married Robert Baulfe sister of Mary Baulf and then Richard Coombes.

Mary Ann Clinker's brother William mmarried Mary Baulfe's sister Catherine Baulfe who also married Henry Minter.

They all lived within a few streets of each other. It is just the Weigners and Caroline Baulf I have not been able to trace. I suspect Caroline married in Germany.

Here's another couple.


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Charles Henry Weegncer
Name: Charles Henry Weegncer
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 8 Nov 1837
Father's Name: Martin Weegncer
Mother's Name: Mary Weegncer
Parish: Saint Alfege
Borough: Greenwich
County: Middlesex

Born 7 Jan, living Queen Street, father waterman.



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Mary Jane Wegner
Name: Mary Jane Wegner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Jun 1843
Father's Name: Martin David Wegner
Mother's Name: Mary Wegner
Parish: Saint Alfege
Borough: Greenwich
County: Middlesex


Born 9th June, living at Queen Street, father waterman.

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
about Mary Waggoner
Name: Mary Waggoner
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 6 Mar 1850
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Parish: Saint Alfege
Borough: Greenwich
County: Middlesex


Died Feb 28, lived at Queen Street.

In the 1851, Thomas is a widower, Mary Baulf is also widowed and Christine is Thomas' granddaughter. It definitely reads Waggoner as well.

Liz

Try again. I have been booted off three times now.

Still tring to interpret 1851


Robert and Charles are listed as sons of Thomas a widower.
Christine is his grand daughter but Charles and Robert are too young to be her father. Charles and Robert baptisms state father is Martin David.
Mary is listed as a widow but she is mother to Charles and Robert and married ? Martin.

My head is spinning.

Arrrgh so long to post I am getting lost




OK so Mary Baulfe nee Clinker is with them in 1851

Robert Baulfe died 1846 and she married Richard in 1851.

So is Thomas actually Martin?

I have to go out for a while.

I am back now. I hope my connection is better now.

Does it say where Thoms was born? Martin was born Kent according to 1841.


This is the only Thomas b. 1806 in 1841


1841 census - household transcription
Person: WAGGONER, Thos
Address: Adams Street, West, St Marylebone, Marylebone


FURGERSON, Robert M 50 1791 Foreign VIEW
WAGGONER, Thos M 35 1806 Foreign VIEW
WILLS, John M 60 1781 VIEW
WILLS, Catherine F 60 1781 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Thos M 45 1796 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Martha F 40 1801 Ireland VIEW
SHARPE, John M 50 1791 VIEW
SHARPE, Mary F 60 1781 VIEW
PARKER, Thos M 50 1791 VIEW
PARKER, Mary F 50 1791 VIEW
WALKER, Sarah F 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW
WILD, Mary F 65 1776 Middlesex VIEW
CURTIS, Elizth F 40 1801 Middlesex VIEW
FRANCES, Mary F 30 1811 Middlesex VIEW
FRANCES, John M 10 1831 Middlesex VIEW
FRANCES, Sarah F 5 1836 Middlesex VIEW
FRANCES, Ann F 3 1838 Middlesex

How old is Christine in 1851? It is an unusual name for the timeperiod.

I am still unable to find anything outside of 1841 on FMP.
And I would like to know the parents of Christine.

If you look at the image it looks like 14 and could be Catherine its been overwritten a real mess.

edit me again, Factory girl Pipe and J or T maybe tobacco ?
Born Greenwich Kent

Sorry I cannot see the image as FMP is still transcribing 1852.
Catherine would make sense though. That would be her aunts name.Thanks for tring.

I have a puzzle.

SUMMARY OF PREVIUS POSTS

Mary Baulf 1809 married Martin David Weigner.
She died 1850

1841 Address: Queen Street, Greenwich
MAYETTE, Charlotte F 20 1821 Kent (Margetts}nee baulf
MAYETTE, Elizabeth F 2 1839 Kent
MAYETTE, George M 0 (3 months) 1841 Kent
BAULF, Mary F 60 1781 Kent
WEIGNER, Martin M 30 1811 Kent
WEIGNER, Mary F 30 1811 Kent nee Baulf
WEIGNER, Charles M 4 1837 Kent
CARR, Mary Ann F 56 1785


London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
about Mary Waggoner
Name: Mary Waggoner
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 6 Mar 1850
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Parish: Saint Alfege
Borough: Greenwich
County: Middlesex
Died Feb 28, 1850 lived at Queen Street.

They have 3 children I have tracked down.


CHARLES HENRY WEEGNEER
Male
Christening:
08 NOV 1837 St Alphage, Greenwich, Kent, England
Parents:
Father: MARTIN WEEGNEER
Family
Mother: MARY
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Charles Henry Weegncer
Name: Charles Henry Weegncer
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 8 Nov 1837
Father's Name: Martin Weegncer
Mother's Name: Mary Weegncer
Parish: Saint Alfege
Borough: Greenwich
County: Middlesex
Born 7 Jan, living Queen Street, father waterman.

MARY JANE WEEGNER
Birth:
Christening: 30 JUN 1843 St Alphage, Greenwich, Kent, England
Parents:
Father: MARTIN DAVID WEEGNER Family
Mother: MARY
C006324

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Mary Jane Wegner
Name: Mary Jane Wegner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Jun 1843
Father's Name: Martin David Wegner
Mother's Name: Mary Wegner
Parish: Saint Alfege
Borough: Greenwich
County: Middlesex
Born 9th June, living at Queen Street, father waterman.
but also compare
Births Sep 1843 (>99%)
WEEGNER Mary Elizabeth Greenwich 5 214


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Robert Waggner
Name: Robert Waggner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 22 Sep 1854
Father's Name: Martie David Waggner
Mother's Name: Mary Waggner
Parish: Saint Alfege

1851 census - household transcription
Person: BAULF, Mary
Address: 12, Queen Street, Greenwich
(next door to Henry Baulf and Sarah Mee)
WAGGONER, Thomas Head Widower M 45 1806 Waterman
London
Middlesex
WAGGONER, Charles Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Factory Boy (Rope & Twine)
Greenwich
Kent
WAGGONER, Robert Son Unmarried M 5 1846 Scholar (Ragged)
Greenwich
Kent
BAULF, Mary Widow F 45 1806 Washerwoman
Southwark
Surrey
WAGGONER, Catherine Grand Child Unmarried F 14 1837 Factory Girl (Rope & Twine)
Greenwich
Kent

1861 census - household transcription
Person: WEIGNER, Robert
Vessel: Typher Smack Fishing
Port/place: Grimsby
WEIGNER, Robert M 16 1845 Lad
Greenwich
Kent

Question
Who is Thomas Waggoner? Is this Martin or a brother?

Which Mary Baulf is this?

Whose grand child is Catherine and who are her parents bearing in mind her age. Thomas is only 45 so would have been 30 at time of her birth.
And where are they 1841?

And I have been unable to track down the family after this apart from Robert in 1861.

Possible death son


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Robert Wagnor
Name: Robert Wagnor
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 25
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 593 (click to see others on page)