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hi
look im sorry to be a bother.but . i was after george gracey death
now ive been on bdm
and there are george gracey there but i not sure if i have the right person
there is a george with parents .but that maybe one of the children of the george that im after.george was born in the late 1790 or abouts

ihave his brother marrage and death
also im just filling out the forms to get there cert and if i get it wrong id have payed for nothing
i may be missing someing .i dont know
thanks again

These are references to Gracey (any forename) on Old Bailey Online


BTW .... this is a free site, so you can check it yourself!


ANN GRACEY, defendant name in trial of ANN GRACEY, Theft > grand larceny, 9th January 1799.

118. ANN GRACEY was indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 16th of October , a silver teaspoon, value 2s. the property of William Derbyshire .

The pawnbroker not being able to swear to the prisoner, and the property being missed, not by the prosecutor, but by his wife, who was not present, the prisoner was ACQUITTED .

Tried by the second Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Justice LAWRENCE.



JOHN GRACEY in trial of SAMUEL TANNER, Breaking Peace > wounding, 25th October 1815.

1014. SAMUEL TANNER was indicted, and the indictment stated, that he, on the 13th of September , on Thomas Ellingham a subject of our Lord the King did make an assault, and with a certain sharp instrument, that is to say, a knife, did inflict upon him, one...

.......... JOHN GRACEY . I am a constable of the parish of St. Sepulchre. I was sent for on this occasion; when I arrived, the wounded man was gone to the Hospital. I asked the prisoner what he did it with; he said, a knife. I asked him where the knife was; he said, he did not know. Charrington and I went up stairs, and found the knife.

GEORGE HAZELWOOD WORRALL . I am a constable of St. Sepulchre's. I produce the knife. I compared the knife with the cut in the clothes, and they exactly fitted.



WILLIAM GRACEY, 25, defendant name in trial of WILLIAM GRACEY, Deception > forgery, 9th September 1818.

1142. WILLIAM GRACEY was indicted, for that he, on the 7th of August , at Allhallows, Lombard street, feloniously did falsely make, forge, and counterfeit, and cause and procure to be falsely made, forged, and counterfeited, and willingly act and assist in...



GEORGE GRACEY, 22, defendant name in trial of GEORGE GRACEY, Deception > forgery, 9th September 1818.

1143. GEORGE GRACEY was indicted for that he, on the 10th of August , at Allhallows, London wall , feloniously did falsely make, forge, and counterfeit, and cause and procure to be falsely made, forged, and counterfeited, and willingly act and assist in fa...



JOHN GRACEY, 20, defendant name in trial of JOHN GRACEY, Theft > stealing from master, 22nd November 1847.

54. JOHN GRACEY , stealing 2 watches, value 4l. guard-chain, 9l. 1 brequet-chain, 1 breast-pin, 4 rings, 1 pencil-case, 1 hair-chain, 1 brooch, 8 forks, and 1 pair of sugar-tongs, value 30l. the goods of Charles Williams, and another, his masters; to which he pleaded

GUILTY. Aged 20.—Recommended to mercy. — Confined Eighteen Months.



LILIAN GRACEY, 39, defendant name in trial of LILIAN GRACEY, Royal Offences > coining offences, 18th May 1909.

GRACEY, Lilian (39, dealer), pleaded guilty of uttering counterfeit coin, well knowing the same to be counterfeit, and having in her possession five pieces of counterfeit coin with intent to utter the same. Sentence, Three months' hard labour.



CHARLES GRACEY, witness name in trial of DAVID MOORE, Breaking Peace > riot; DAVID MOORE, Miscellaneous > perverting justice; HARRY WHITELOCK, Breaking Peace > riot; HARRY WHITELOCK, Miscellaneous > perverting justice; EDWARD O'MARA, Breaking Peace > riot; EDWARD O'MARA, Miscellaneous > perverting justice; CHARLES MCGREGOR, Breaking Peace > riot; EDWARD COFFEY, Breaking Peace > riot; JOHN DUHIG, Breaking Peace > riot; JOHN DUHIG, Miscellaneous > perverting justice; JOHN HUGHES, Breaking Peace > riot; JOHN HUGHES, Theft > simple larceny, 8th October 1912.

MOORE, David (31, stevedore), WHITELOCK, Harry (21, trimmer) O'MARA, Edward (25, stevedore), McGREGOR, Charles (44, stevedore), COFFEY, Edward (49, stevedore), DUHIG, John (21, stevedore), and HUGHES, John (44, stevedore) ; all unlawfully committing riot, ...

(Friday, October 18.)

CHARLES GRACEY , carman to Foster and Son, wine and spirit merchants, North Woolwich. On July 24, ai 2.15 p.m., I was in charge of a pair-horse van loaded with cases and crates, to deliver at Middleton's Wharf, about half a mile from Free Trade Wharf. The procession passed me, headed by a band and a banner.

Mr. Wild submitted that this being half a mile from the scene of the riot the evidence was inadmissible.

The Recorder held that the evidence was admissible as showing whether the procession was an unlawful assembly.

Mr. Bodkin stated that he did not set up that the assembly was unlawful from the commencement; the witness was withdrawn.






I've copied what ever was relevant from the actual record



sylvia

just adding a bit more info on the gracey's
i beleive that the 2 boys william and george had a sister as well
as this chap on ancestry has confirm
i could see a anne gracey i think about 20yrs
could this possable be the one he was talking about

this was on the old bailey online

thanks again

The parents William and Hannah are only a guess at this stage.
None of NSW deaths for George Gracey have parents as William and Hannah.

Your first step is to get George Gracey's marriage cert then his death and hope his parent's names are on them.
Also with NSW death certificates his place of birth maybe shown. Hopefully it will say more than just England"!

i know that i maybe PUSHINGmy luck but could there be something on hannah and william marrage at all do you think
thank you

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN YOU WOULD MAKE A VERY GOOD DETECTIVE VICC AND S

am I stretching things???


London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

Name: William Gracey
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 7 Apr 1815
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1740
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
County: London




London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

Name: Hannah Gracey
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 30 Aug 1827
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1755
Parish: Saint Mary
Borough: Islington
County: Middlesex




sylvia

It also sounds from testimony in George's case that his father was dead by this time.


CHARLES FARQUHAR. ........................... I had seen him before at his father's in Crown-street, Finsbury-square-his father was alive when I knew him. I did not recollect him when he first came, but I knew him better when he spoke to me at Lockington's. When his father was living my mother lived close by, and used to go charing for his mother - I knew all the family; I used to see him working. I often told my master that I knew him.

Cross-examined. Q. I had spoken to him before, we knew one another - He did not call me by name.

MR. ALLEY. Q. How long ago have you known him - A.Between three and four years ago. I have no reason to suppose he knew me.



sylvia

George's sentencing cont.


CHARLES FARQUHAR. I am servant to Mr. Archer, I remember the prisoner buying the boots - I was to take them home with him, and bring a pair of shoes back to sole and heel. We went across Moorfields, just as far as Lackington's; he walked first, and looked back three or four times. When we got to Lackington's, he said,"My lad, I will not take you any farther." He felt in his pocket for some halfpence, and said he had none; but he would bring the shoes next morning, and give me some - He did not call next morning. I had seen him before at his father's in Crown-street, Finsbury-square-his father was alive when I knew him. I did not recollect him when he first came, but I knew him better when he spoke to me at Lockington's. When his father was living my mother lived close by, and used to go charing for his mother - I knew all the family; I used to see him working. I often told my master that I knew him.

Cross-examined. Q. I had spoken to him before, we knew one another - He did not call me by name.

MR. ALLEY. Q. How long ago have you known him - A.Between three and four years ago. I have no reason to suppose he knew me.

COURT. Q. Did you hear him give your master the

See original name of Smith - A. Yes. When I saw him at Lackington's I thought it was Gracey.

CHRISTUS SEWARD. I am town-clerk of Grantham. I was clerk to Messrs. Joseph Lawrence and Thomas Earle Welby, bankers, from 1811 till the concern closed in 1816, they then gave up business; they are now living; they do not carry on any banking business at Grautham, nor did they in 1817. When they were in business they always signed the notes themselves, and had no signing clerk, nor any clerks of the names William Wilson or Edward May . Their is no banking business carried on now in their names at Grantham-the only banking-house is Holt, King and Co. - (looking at the note)-it is the same sort of note they used to issue, it is like the plate. This is not their hand-writing on the note. I do not know any of the writing.

EDWARD NEATE . On the 10th of August the prisoner moved from the house in the Kent-road. He lived there with his brother, the last prisoner - They left it about five o'clock in the morning.

Cross-examined. Q. You mean you saw him often at his brother's house - A. Yes; I do not know that he lived with his mother. I saw him in Kent-road as often as I saw his brother. I saw him there at five o'clock in the morning when they moved. I do not know that he slept there.

(The note was here put in and read.)

Prisoner's Defence. I received the note from my mother. I gave the man the name of Gracey, and told him I believed it was on the back of the note. I asked him to let the lad go with me. When I got to Finsbury-square, I recollected I had to call on a person. I took the boots from the lad, and told him that if I came that way in the morning I would call and leave the shoes. I had to go another way, and did not leave them. It is very unlikely that I should have gone into a neighbourhood where I had been known for fourteen years, if I knew the note to be forged. I entered into conversation with the prosecutor at his house, about the neighbours who knew me.

THOMAS ARCHER re-examined. Q. Are you sure he did not say his name was Gracey, and that he believed it was on the back of the note - A. I am sure he did not. The boy went with the prisoner by my desire, as I wished to know where he lived. He did not ask me to let the boy go. I never saw him before to my knowledge.

Q. When he left you did he go in the way to Crown-street - A. Yes, and in the way of Paul-street also. He talked about the neighbourhood, and said he knew Donaldson, Scott, and Williams.

CHARLES FARQUHAR. I was within hearing at the time, and am certain he did not mention the name of Gracey.

GUILTY . - DEATH . Aged 22.

London Jury, before Mr. Justice Bayley.

George's sentencing

GEORGE GRACEY, Deception > forgery, 9th September 1818.

GEORGE GRACEY was indicted for that he, on the 10th of August , at Allhallows, London-wall , feloniously did falsely make, forge, and counterfeit, and cause and procure to be falsely made, forged, and counterfeited, and willingly act and assist in falsely making, forging, and counterfeiting, a certain promissory note for payment of money , the tenor of which is as follows:-

"I promise to pay the bearer, on demand, Two Guineas, at Grantham, or at 56, Lombard-street, London. Grantham Bank, 16th April, 1817. For Joseph Lawrence and Thomas Earle Welby. 343

"Two Guineas. Entered Ed. May . WM. WILSON" with intent to defraud Thomas Archer .

SECOND COUNT. For feloniously uttering, and publishing as true, a like forged note for payment of money, with the like intent, he knowing it to be forged and counterfeited.

TWO OTHER COUNTS, the same, only stating the prisoner's intent to be to defraud Joseph Lawrence and Thomas Early Welby .

THOMAS ARCHER. I am a boot and shoemaker , and live in Great Winchester-street. On Monday, the 10th of August, at eight o'clock in the evening, the prisoner came into my shop, and bought a pair of Wellington boots of me, which came to 1l. 12s., and gave me a two-guinea Grantham bank note, payable at No.56, Lombard-street. I asked him to favour me with his address; he said his name was Smith. I gave him a pen to write it on the note - He said his name was on it. I asked him where he lived? he said, in Paul-street, which is not far from my house. I saw the name was on the back of the note. While the boy was gone home with the boots I forgot the number of the house, and omitted writing the address till he returned to tell me the number. I gave the note to Amelia Lownds, whom I saw write "Smith, T.A." on it. I had no other two-guinea note at that time or before. I sent my boy with the boots, and to bring back a pair of shoes, which the prisoner said he had, to sole and heel. This is the note-(looking at it).

Q. Did you go next day to Lombard-street - A. Yes, and found the note was bad. I went to Paul-street that morning, inquired for Smith at two or three houses, and was informed that if I had not got the number it was useless searching, as there might be many Smiths.

Q. From information which you received, was your attention called to Crown-street - A. Yes. On Tuesday, the 11th of August, which was the same night, I watched a house there belonging to Mrs. Gracey, and waited there till almost twelve o'clock, I then saw the prisoner in Crown-street, coming towards the house. I went up to him, saw he was the person I wanted by the light of the lamp, collared him, and said, "How do you do, Mr. Smith? I have been looking for you sometime." He said,"My name is not Smith, but Gracey, and what do you collar me for? I bought a pair of boots of you, and paid you. - (I had said nothing about the boots, nor told him who I was, or where I lived). I said, "Yes, you paid me, but you know in what manner." - He made no reply. I took him to the watch-house - He resisted. When he came to his own door he said his name was Gracey, and he would go no further, as he could be found there at any time. I succeeded in getting him to the watch-house, and gave him in charge to Walton. He said there that he took the note of a friend in the shop, and he knew who it was.

Cross-examined by MR. WALFORD. He was a stranger to me. I had no particular reason for attending to his conversation at the time he bought the boots.

Q. Are you sure he did not say that the person's name who endorsed the note was on it - A. No; he said my name is Smith, the name is on the back; Paul-street, is a few yards from Crown-street. I asked him the name of the street twice, and could not mistake him-my attention was called to what passed when my boy came back.



cont.

William's sentencing cont.

ROBERT BEVILL , ESQ. I am a magistrate of Worship-street. The prisoner was brought before me two or three times.

Q. Did he state to you how he came possessed of the note - A. I think it was at his second examination, I said nothing whatever to him - I took very short minutes of what he said - He spoke too fast for my clerk to take it down, but my minutes will enable me to state what he said; he said he would not sign any examination (reads),"I did live at No. 12, Kent-road, am a carver and gilder; I lodge now in Joiner's-place. I cannot say what is the person's name who keeps the house. I received this note when I lived in the Kent-road, about three weeks ago, for two dressing-boxes, which came to 2l. 14s., and put the man's name on the back of the note-he said he lived at Greenwich; he drove up with a horse and cart. I will not say whether he did not write the name himself. I did not take it to the banking-house. I left the shop in the Kent-road last Monday, and took my goods with me." He had seen the note; there is the name of "Howard, Stratford," on it.

WILLIAM HERITAGE . I am clerk to the magistrates. I was preparing a statement of the prisoner's examination; he said he would not sign it, and would rather not have it taken down-I tore it up.

THOMAS HINE . I am clerk to Messrs. James Oakes and Orbell Ray Oakes, who are bankers at Bury; they are the only partners, and were so in 1817. We have no entering clerk of the name of Collins, nor any signing clerk named John Martin . Our notes are signed by James Oakes -our clerks never sign cash notes. We have no clerks of those names. I assisted in inquiring for Jones at Deptford, but could not find the prisoner there. The note is endorsed"Howard, Stratford." I went there, and found two persons of that name.

JOSEPH WALTON . I am an officer. I went to St. George's-fields to seek for the prisoner - I knew him before; he came to my house on the Wednesday previous to see his brother, who I had in custody. I addressed him in the name of Gracey, and he answered to it. His mother's name is over the shop.

Cross-examined. His mother is a carver and gilder; I believe she sells dressing-cases. The shop is in Crown-street, Finsbury-square.

SIMEON MURRAY. I am clerk to Messrs. George Lee,

See original Richard Lee , Richard John Brassey , Fuller Farr, and George Lee , jun., they carry on business in the name of Lees, Satterthwaite, and Brassey, who are bankers - I have lived with them two months.

(Note put in and read. See indictment.)

Prisoner's Defence. I kept a carver and gilder's shop in the Kent-road. About the 27th of July a man drove up in a chaise, bought two boxes, and paid me the note. On the 7th of August, as I came home, I bought the linen at Walmsley's, and paid him the note, after having looked at the Directory, and saw there was such a bank. They did not ask me for my name, nor did I give any. I moved to Joiner's-place - They took me there. I did not know the note was bad.

EDWARD NEATE . The prisoner took a house of me, No. 12, Kent-road; it is three or four miles from Deptford - He kept a carver and gilder's shop in the name of Gracey, and was there in July last.

MR. BOLLAND. Q. When did he leave - A. On Monday, the 10th of August, about five o'clock in the morning. The landlord had agreed that he should leave if he left the fixtures; he was to go that day.

GUILTY . - DEATH . Aged 25.

Recommended to Mercy.

London Jury, before Mr. Baron Graham .

Looks like William was sentenced for the same or similar offence as his brother

from Old Bailey Online

www.oldbaileyonline.org/

WILLIAM GRACEY, Deception > forgery, 9th September 1818.

WILLIAM GRACEY was indicted, for that he, on the 7th of August , at Allhallows, Lombard-street, feloniously did falsely make, forge, and counterfeit, and cause and procure to be falsely made, forged, and counterfeited, and willingly act and assist in the false making, forging, and counterfeiting a certain promissory note for payment of money , the tenor of which is as follows:-

"Bury and Suffolk Bank, No. 864.

"I promise to pay the bearer Five Pounds, on demand, here or at Messrs. Lees, Satterthwaite, and Brassey, Bankers, London. Bury, 10th November, 1817. For James Oakes and Son.

"£5. Entered M. Collins. JOHN MARTIN ." with intent to defraud Edward Walmsley .

SECOND COUNT, for feloniously uttering and publishing as true, a like forged promissory note, with the like intent, he knowing it to be forged and counterfeited.

THIRD AND FOURTH COUNTS, the same, only stating his intent to be to defraud James Oakes and Orbell Ray Oakes .

TWO OTHER COUNTS. the same, only stating his intent to be to defraud George Lee , Richard Lee , Richard John Brassey , Fuller Farr , and George Lee , the younger.

WILLIAM MORPHEW . I am servant to Mr. Edward Walmsley, who is a linen-draper , and lives in Grace-church-street. On the 7th of August, about seven o'clock in the evening, the prisoner came to the shop, and bought a piece of Irish linen, which came to 3l. 2s. 10d., and paid me a 5l. Bury and Suffolk bank note - I did not ask his name; he gave me the name of Jones, Deptford; which I wrote on the note in his presence. This is the note he gave me (looking at it)-it was after banking hours. Next morning I presented it at Lee and Co.'s Lombard-street, for payment, and found it was forged. In consequence of which Mr. Hine, one of the clerks of the Bury bank, came to town on the Monday following, the 10th. We went together to Deptford, and were there nearly all day, searching for every person of the name of Jones, that we could find. We found four or five of that name, but not the person who gave me the note.

Q. In consequence of information did you go into St. George's-fields - A. Yes; on the following Friday, the 14th, I went to Joiner's-place, near Westminster-road, about a quarter before six o'clock in the morning. Mr. Hine and Walton, the officer, were with me. Walton knocked at the door, a boy opened it, he asked if Gracey was within? the boy said he did not live there. We went in through a room, which was the shop, it was shut up-this led us to a bed-room, Walton said, "Good morning to you, Gracey." I did not hear him answer. I said,"Good morning, Mr. Jones." He said his name was not Jones. I told him I understood it was not, but I wished him to go with us - He dressed himself, and went with us.

Q. Did he say anything more - A.He asked what I wanted with him. I told him he was the person who purchased a piece of linen of Mr. Walmsley, in Gracechurch-street, and I had given him change for a note; he then said he did not know Mr. Walmsley, that he had not been in Gracechurch-street, nor purchased any Irish linen, nor had he given a 5l. note to any person. We took him to the watch-house. As we were going along I asked him what he had done with the cloth he bought, he said he had not had any. We went to the watch-house to him at eleven o'clock - He wished to see his mother; Walton went for her, leaving me with the prisoner. He returned with his sister.

Q. While Walton was absent, had you any conversation with him - A. I told him I thought he was wrong in denying it, as I was sure he was the person who gave me the note; I said I did not wish to hurt him, I only wanted to recover my 5l. He was searched, and this pocket-book found on him; here is a memorandum, against the 7th of August (reads) "Jones, 2l." I had given him a 1l. note, and 17s. 2d. for his change. He was taken before the magistrate; I heard him make a statement there, which was taken down.

Cross-examined by MR. ADOLPHUS. Q. Look at him again, and see if you are positive he is the man who paid you the note - A. I have not the least doubt of it; he gave me the name of Jones voluntarily.

Q. Did he say his name was Jones, of Deptford, or that he received it of Jones, of Deptford - A. He only said, Jones, Deptford.



cont.

i have a little bit more info on william and george parents
called william and hannah
they had a shop in crown st finsbury square
and there trade was as (carver and glider)
could this maybe help me to find out more about them
would you think

this was around the time the boys were sentence
thank you again

Hi Sue

If you go to the site for Scotland's People and you register and perform searches, you can purchase the image of the parish record however you need to puchase credits for this.

hi vicc
id have to try and get from over seas .but ill have a go
thanks once again

???

Gracey, British Isles
Father: John , Mother: Mary HEBENTON

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Batch Number: C113212
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Gender: Male Christening: 21 APR 1793 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland

I have looked for George Gracey born in London with brother William but no luck

there maybe something on his death certificate and/or his marriage cert

this is William's death

V1836914 20/1836 GRACEY WILLIAM AGE 39

if you get the certificates we maybe able to go further

hi
i sure did appreciate what i got from george gracey
but...... what are my chances of getting info on his parents
hannah and william
.big ask i know
thank s

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