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going great guns with my Gouriet's........ Still need some help with Hamilton though........

please, please can anyone help ???????????

Think you are right, I do need to invest in some certs, I will go through my file and the notes posted on here to see if I can work out which ones would be of most help, because I'm into the FH in a big way my kids buy me certs for birthdays and xmas's, helps to keep the cost down and they arn't wasting their money on something I dont need or want.

I have not spent a penny on 1911


There are ways of extracting info though.
Find my past are bring out a subscription in the autumn. I am considering that.


It seems that there are quite a few out there and we just need to join up the dots. You may need to buy some certificates to help. As soon as you do post them on here . I will see when you add to it.

Hi Christine,

Hope the doc doesn't send me back to work for a year! I'll need that long to process all the info that you and Janey have given me, you will never know how grateful I am.

I did find Victor in the asylum but haven't fitted him in yet, he must belong to me cos we're all nuts in our family!!!!!!!!!!!

I was sure that the Amy that married into the Kirkham's was mine but the dates just wouldn't gel, going to have to look into that again, think I will do as Janey suggested and try writing to some of the Kirkhams in Canada and see what I come up with.

Didn't know that Janey was from Canada, no wonder she was so bright eyed and bushy tailed when I was hanging.
Please donot go spending any credits for the 1911c on my behalf as I have credits so if you could just point me in the right direction I can use my credits.... not that I dont appreciate what you are doing for me but it would not be fair for you to use yours.

The william in this census is william Etienne

1871 census - household transcription
Person: GOWRIET, William
Address: Prospect Place, Islington, Finsbury
GOWRIET, Elizabeth* Head F 25 1846 Buckinghamshire VIEW
GOWRIET, Elizabeth C Daughter F 4 1867 Middlesex VIEW
GOWRIET, William Son M 2 1869 Middlesex



Births Dec 1868 (>99%)
GOURIET William Etenne Islington 1b 272

Deaths Sep 1871 (>99%)
Gouriet William Etene 2 Islington 1b 143


from her age it is likely Elizabeth married between 1861 and 71 so makes her a likely candidate for

Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
GALE Elizabeth Islington 1b 521
Gouriet Victor Frederick Islington 1b 521

1881 census - household transcription
Person: GOURIET, Victor
Address: Middlesex Lunatic Asylum, Norwood
GOURIET, Victor Patient Married M 68 1813 Watchmaker
Lunatic Dijon
France

I am not sure if this one fits in anywhere.

1871 census - household transcription
Person: GOURIET, Caroline
Address: Salisbury Row, St Mary Newington

THURSFIELD, John T Head M 59 1812 Staffordshire VIEW
GOURIET, Caroline Visitor F 39 1832 Middlesex

If this is the second wife of Dennis she was a bityoung when she married him.

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
Gowriet Alice Victorene Thame 3a 525

1871 with mother Isabella above

1881 with mother Isabella above

some else having the same trouble

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENUKI/1997-05/0863554082

Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
Gouriet Edith Mildred Fulham 1a 203

with aunt in 1901

no trace 1911

Possibly another of Hamiltons children?

1901 census - household transcription
Person: GOURIET, Victor
Address: 8, Richmond Gardens, Hammersmith
GOURIET, Isabel Head Widow F 60 1841 Dressmaker
St Albans
Hertfordshire
GOURIET, Victor Son Single M 26 1875 Actor
Holborn
London
GOURIET, Percy Son Single M 24 1877 Salesman
Holborn
London
GOURIET, Edith Niece Single F 9 1892
Shepherds Bush
London

This one is the actor.

I am going to try to follow this line through person by person.

Births Sep 1876 (>99%)
GOURIET Percy Frederick Holborn 1b 655


1911
HOUSEHOLD GOURIET PERCY FREDERICK M 1877 34 Thame Oxfordshire

Deaths Sep 1918 (99%)
Gouriet Percy F 42 Thame 3a 975
Thame is Oxfordshire region

1881 census - household transcription
Person: GARNET, Isabella
Address: 39, Devonshire St, St Andrew Holborn Above The Bars And St George The Martyr
GARNET, Isabella Wife Head Married F 41 1840 Dressmaker
St Albans
Hertfordshire
GARNET, Isabel F Daughter Single F 28 1853 Carriage Lining Maker
Bayswater
Middlesex
GARNET, George A Son Single M 17 1864 Carman
Birmingham
Warwickshire
GARNET, Alice V Daughter Single F 15 1866 Dressmaker
Thame
Oxfordshire
GARNET, Alfred V Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire
GARNET, John G V Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Finsbury
Middlesex
GARNET, Percy F Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Finsbury
Middlesex

1891 census - household transcription
Person: GOURIET, Isabella
Address: 17, Russell Square, Bloomsbury
DIBDEN, Robert W Head Married M 42 1849 Solicitor
Bloomsbury
London
DIBDEN, Eugene E Wife Married F 36 1855
Martbeliard
France
DIBDEN, Eugene C A Daughter Single F 7 1884
Bloomsbury
London
DIBDEN, Mary W Daughter Single F 6 1885
Bloomsbury
London
DIBDEN, Marguerite E Daughter Single F 4 1887
Bloomsbury
London
DIBDEN, Victoria J Daughter Single F 3 1888
Bloomsbury
London
DIBDEN, Augusta C Daughter Single F 1 1890
Bloomsbury
London
GOURIET, Isabella Servant Widow F 50 1841 Domestic Cook
St Albans
Hertfordshire
KURY, Amalie Servant F 28 1863 Domestic Nurse
Wurtemburg

HUGHES, Sarah J Servant F ? Domestic Housemaid
Tamworth
Staffordshire
BINGHAM, Alethea G Servant F 16 1875 Domestic Parlourmaid
Kingsdown
Kent

1871 census - household transcription
Person: GOURICHE, Isabella
Address: Boaler Street, West Derby, Liverpool
GOURICHE, George Head M 50 1821 France VIEW
GOURICHE, Isabella Wife F 33 1838 Hertfordshire VIEW
GOURICHE, Isabella Daughter F 10 1861 Middlesex VIEW
GOURICHE, George Son M 7 1864 Warwickshire VIEW
GOURICHE, Alice Daughter F 5 1866 Oxfordshire

googled

kirkham alberta gouriot


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~riman/riman/fam00553.htm

Husband: George Stafford KIRKHAM
Born: 1885 at:
Father:George S KIRKHAM
Mother:Matilda SCOTT
NOTES Wife: Amy GOURIET


There's contact info at that page.


http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/e/Jennifer-Ann-Siemens/ODT7-0001.html

George Stafford Kirkham b: September 11, 1884
+Amy Agnes Gouriet m: November 11, 1907


Also Ancestry tree(s) - did somebody post already?

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/5042106/person/-1507009269

* Amy Agnes Gouriet
* 1907 11 Nov
* Marriage to George Stafford Kirkham




and if you search here:

http://www.whitepages.ca/

there is currently a George Kirkham in Innisfail, Alberta.

Not a coincidence, I suspect.

There are several other Kirkhams in Innisfail as well.

I think I'd write them all! (It's a tiny place -- total pop 7883 -- so even those that don't have street addresses would still get their mail, I think.)

Somebody really has been busy with your Gouriets in the IGI, you know.


ELIZABETH BLANCHE GOURIET
Birth: 31 JUL 1886 London, London, England
Death: 07 AUG 1961
Father: THOMAS GOURIET - ???
Mother: ELIZABETH GREEN

Your Elizabeth Blanch Gouriet was born in SepQ 1885 - right quarter, wrong year. Not uncommon.


And now going back to the two things Ann o' GG posted way at the beginning (removing all of the %$#* bumph!!!) Why weren't we paying attention??


AMY AGNES GOURIET
Birth: 10 JUN 1885 , , India
Death: 07 SEP 1951
Spouse: GEORGE STAFFERD KIRKHAM

AMY AGNES GOURIET
Death: 07 SEP 1951
Father: LOUIS JOSEPH GOURIET - ???
Mother: ELIZABETH GREEN
Spouse: GEORGE STAFFERD KIRKHAM Family
Marriage: 11 NOV 1907 Innisfail, Alberta, Alberta

Your Agnes Amy was born SepQ 1883 - again, right quarter, wrong year.


We have quite an assortment of *wrong* fathers for what seem to be your Gouriets. But some interesting grains of truth and consistency.


There is a George Kirkham in Innisfail, Alberta, in the 1911 Cdn census. He was born 1854 and has wife Matilda born 1864. That one is awfully coincidental and looks like family. Parents?

There is a George Kirkham in Medicine Hat, Alberta, born 1874, with wife Mary Anna born 1876.


Alberta vital stats can't be searched on line:

http://www.servicealberta.ca/766.cfm

But - all those Innisfail Kirkhams in 1911 except the youngest were born in Ontario.

I don't pay for the details at Ancestry.ca:

Ontario birth:
George Stafford Kirkham
date ?
county: Lanark
father: George Kirkham

I can't see anything that looks like a marriage there.

This will be George in 1901 in Alberta:

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com

Kirkham George Head M Sep 10 1852 47
Kirkham Matilda Wife M May 22 1862 38
Kirkham Thomas O Son S Oct 18 1881 19
> > Kirkham George S Son S Sep 22 1884 16
Kirkham Hanna S Daughter S Sep 24 1886 14
Kirkham William S Son S Mar 24 1890 10
Kirkham Annie P Daughter S Oct 4 1892 8
Kirkham Lawrence F Son S Oct 2 1895 5

But where the *^$# is he in 1911???

And in 1916, which is only at Ancestry. His parents are there ...



These I think are definitely worth tracking down some.


I wonder whether Hamilton Gouriet deserted Julia (or vice vera) and hooked up with Elizabeth Green??

Oh, this just needed a little more messing up.


JOHN GEORGE **VICTOR** GOURIET - what did I say?!
Birth: 08 JAN 1874
Christening: 24 FEB 1875 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England
Father: JOHN GEORGE VICTOR GOURIET -- I DON'T THINK SO!!!
Mother: ISABELLA
Batch No.: C062362


That's the only Gouriet in that batch.

I say it's Victor the actor, and lord knows what that is for his father's name ...


Oh my, how did I neglect these?

Marriages Jun 1902
Gouriet John George V Eastbourne 2b 185

Marriages Mar 1907
GOURIET John George V Marylebone 1a 1061

Missing bride on that last one.

Oh look:

Marriages Mar 1907
Stokes Jessica May Marylebone 1a *1051* not

And make it 3 glasses please.

i am off too as I am in UK

Janey is somewhere in Canada. so a different time zone.

That Brandy sounds gooooooooood, hope you eye soon heals.

Chris

A Massive THANKYOU to you both for all the hard work you have put in on my behalf but I really must go to bed now as I can hardly keep my eyes open, I would be very greatful Janey if you could have a look in your book when you have time re: Victor and thankyou for all the web sites you gave I will have a look at them in the afternoon.

Goodnight and bless you both.

And thanx to everyone else who has helped me x

Just to let every one know I have changed my board name to Ladykira as Christine was causing too much confusion. Find me on Rootschat too.

Again, just for future ref: we need everything you got. Although granted, we went a little wayback on this one. ;)

You might want to just print it all off for bedtime perusing with a large brandy.

I think I did manage to sort out those generations! Hamilton's father had two marriages and Hamilton's half-brother had two marriages, I think is how it goes. Certainly throws the &*($ generations off.

(In the family of that gr-grfather of mine -- he had a sister about 8 years older, who married young. I'm from the youngest son in his second marriage, born when he was 50. So when one day I finally got a contact from a descendant of that older sister (not the actress), she was a grx2 granddaughter of my gr-grfather's sister ... making her, at 60, older than me and the same generation as my 8-yr-old niece. Aargh!)

#2 - my eye is feeling like crap just now, overdue for its steroids, so must be off to go lie around on the chesterfield and annoy my own No.1, who can't stand not having the entire thing for himself. -- For #1's info - had surgery on Thursday, do-over of lens replacement, vitrectomy, removal of scar tissue from retina ... still can't see in that eye ... and everybody is much concerned. ;)