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Hi ref Richard Hartley i now have his Birth certificate born Salford 1842 his father was James down as Painter and glazier, mother looks like Felicia Bodson. ive looked on Family search for James there is one he was born 1821 Dye Works (paint man) but his wife was Catherine born Wales 1831,do you think this might be Richards Father as Richard was a Cloth dyer on his Daughters wedding certificate. and that James might have remarried,can you help thanks Janette

Good Luck Janette and crossed fingers that it solves a few problems

Kayx

Let us know how you get on.

You should have it within the week, sometimes Ive had them 2 days later!

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Hi Ginny and K last night i sent off for the birth certificate of Richard Hartley from the Gro its the first time ive ordered a certificate this way.if all goes well i think i might send for his daughter Mary Ellens birth certificate any way thanks Janette.

Hi Ginny and K, I Have a marriage certificate of the daughter Mary Ellen Hartley,married in sheffield 1921 aged 22.father Richard Hartley Decceased cloth dyer.she married Albert Edward Hartley he was born in Sheffield. they had daughter called Joyce born 1921 sheffield.any help. Janette

I think I would check the maiden name of Mary(s) on one or two of the children's birth certificates. This would help you confirm the correct marriage cert (if there is one)

Good Luck Kay


Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
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Hartley Richard Sheffield 9c 340



Births Sep 1888
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HARTLEY Lily Sheffield 9c 381



Births Jun 1899 (>99%)
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Hartley Mary Ellen Sheffield 9c 497

His death?

Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Hartley Richard 60 Sheffield 9c 251

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And this looks like them on the 1911 census, living with Mary Ellen is Lily and mother Mary

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD HARTLEY MARY ELLEN F 1899 12 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding

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This looks like his birth, its the only one in Salford anywhere near. And the census info is consistant with regards to his birth place

It would give you his parents name if you get the certificate from GRO


Births Sep 1842 (>99%)
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Hartley Richard Salford 20 755



The 1871 census give wife Mary as being born in Middlesex ?


Ginny
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I wonder if this is the marriage to Mary Ann?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
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Allender George Sheffield 9c 653
>>Duke Mary Ann Sheffield 9c 653
>>HARTLEY Richard Sheffield 9c 653
HARTLY Richard Sheffield 9c 653
Smally Edmund Sheffield 9c 653
Woodcock Emily Sheffield 9c 653

In 1891 his "wife" is now Mary Ann! and he is a hawker

Name: Richard Hartley
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Holliscroft
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Bates Sq

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Hartley 47
Mary Ann Hartley 37
John Hartley 17
Richard Hartley 12
Lily Hartley 2
Albert Hartley 5/12

Hi interesting was there two wifes? Janette.

I wonder whether there were two "wives". I also can't find a marriage and Mary seems to have eternal youth and keep giving birth

Well K Scotland St is also Hollis Croft...how odd Also Elizabeth Frazer is down as 'Servant' on the above census K posted. There is no way you would have had a servant living in Hollis Croft?

Also I cant find a marriage for the two of them?

Hmmmm

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Very strange in 1881 Mary Emma is listed as his daughter !

1881

Name: Richard Hartley
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 119 & 121 Scotland St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Shopkeeper & Hawker

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Hartley 41
Mary Emma Hartley 25
John Hartley 8
Richard Hartley 1
Elizabeth Frazer 19

Hi i think if our ancestors ever came back they whould have an heart attack,Janette

Looks like this is them

1871 England Census
about Richard Hartley
Name: Richard Hartley
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: West Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 94
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Harbridge 26
John Bussell 64
John Hough 40
William Firswell 45
Charles Simms 35
Richard Smith 41
Nk Smith 22
Nk Smith 40
Nk Smith 26
Richard Hartley 27 <<<<<<<<<<Hawker
Mary Hartley 22 <<<<<<<<<<Born 'Middlesex Hawker
Richard Hartley 2 months Born Sheffield
Joseph Wood 54
Thomas McGrail 64
Thomas Toyle 37
William Hague 21
William Evans 60
Michael Leonard 29
John Allison 51
John Hurst 40
John Blackburne 82
Simpson Brady 21
Jane Brady 18
Emma Forster 33
Thomas Bullivant 23


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Janette

The info K found for you.

Thought I would let you know that 'Hollis Croft' was a big Irish and Catholic area of Sheffield, also very poor with housing of 1 up 1 down

The houses are gone now but the Road Hollis Croft is still there and ironically there’s a big BMW dealer at the end of it...eeeeh 'not like owd days', thank goodness!


Ginny
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For Ref 1901

Name: Richard Hartley
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary E
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Hollis Croft Sheffield St Luke
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Hartley 56
Mary E Hartley 42
Richard Hartley 21
Lily Hartley 12
Mary E Hartley 2

Richard Hartley believe to be from Salford born about 1840 he had Daughter Mary Ellen Hartley born Sheffield 1899 died 1925 Sheffield.Trying to find Richards parents and Siblings dont know if their from Salford or Sheffield.can any one help please thanks Janette.