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Your late Janey!
But better late than never and thank you for giving it a go as well.
Hope your feeling a bit better now,we need your eyesight restored to normal ASAP.
Well if you cant find anything either Janey ,then I would say that is that.

I invested in FMP (6 months)a short while ago,as I said I was prob going to.
I have investigated as many of all the names I could find going anywhere after 1940,and did not find anything to fit,as I said in the above post.

And yes...
The amount of Akers are astounding,even on passenger lists.

By the way,I was born near Chertsey ,many moons ago,dont remember it much though as we left there when I was almost 6 to come to Wales.
I remember believing we were going to a whole new country,like OZ or Canada.
It certainly was like it as where we lived very few people spoke English,and def not the kids in my local school!
So I converted and went Taff.

Hi Viv and Janey,
Thank you both for your help. I'm more determined than ever to get to the bottom of this now.I shall subscribe to Ancestry and try to get a bit further,
I really appreciate your ground work .
I just wish I had pursued it years ago before my Grandmother died, but my aunt was anti my Grandfather as he had gone before she was born.
Now nobody knows much about the situation as there was so much secrecy surrounding the saga. Shame , but that's life .
Once again thank you ,Sue.

P.S. Dont know if of any use ,Ivy Akers also lived at Edith rd,Tottenham

Her age,and the boys ages,and if Akers was her maiden or married name would be more use to you Sue.

And take out the 2 week free trail at Ancestry before signing up as then you will know if you like it or not.
If you want to cancel ,make sure it is about 24 hours before your time is up as that will give it time to filter through.
But you need Find my past for the most comprehensive outgoing passenger lists.
good luck.

Thanks Viv

Just for info the peanut trade was West Africa not South Africa this may make a difference in your searches

cheers,I didn't realise there would be a difference.Had only been told
South Africa.This is proving to be more difficult than I expected, people just disappearing and not being able to trace them.
many thanks tho ,Sue

Shirley, I meant to say that too! Never heard of ground nuts in SA. ;) Ground nut stew is definitely a west African dish, one that I'm fond of!


The info about Ivy Akers is only useful if it comes with some dates. Lived in Tottenham - when? (Even: before/after Surrey.) Just because this could help find a death, for instance. Or a marriage.

At some point you do have to investigate some possibilities, knowing they could turn out to be dead ends. That Ivy Akers death certificate seems to be the thing that looks most like a lead, to me.

I'd suggested that the Ivy R Akers who died in 2003 could be this one, if she hadn't married:

Births Jun 1912
Akers Ivy R Norris Ware 3a 1453

Her siblings born after 1911 (there are numerous Akers births 1900-1911 in Ware as well):

Births Jun 1916
Akers Henry F Norris Ware 3a 1438
Births Mar 1922
Akers Alfred Norris Ware 3a 1258

Henry F seems to have married in Ware in 1939 -- but the best match for Alfred is a marriage in Lambeth (Surrey) in 1940.

The Ivy R Akers-s marriages are 1938 in Finsbury and 1939 in Islington. There are births to both those marriages that don't match the names you have (Ronald and William, presumably).


Oh my oh my oh my. I HAVE FOUND THEM.

I have to send this by private message. I'll send it to Viv as well.

Have sent Susan:

- name of child
- marriage of child
- births of child's children
- marriages of child's children

--- and --- one of the child's children is a GR member, per search trees -- she is the person I referred to earlier as having the Ivy I was looking at in her tree. This all *could* mean that you and she have the same grandfather.

One child down, one to go ...


And I note what I had lost track of from the opening post:

"His last address was 85 Cannons Rd,High street , Ware Hertfordshire."

Um, duh. Ware? Kind of did make my Ivy look like the inescapable conclusion.

Thank Evans I put the distress signals out Janey.
Turned up trumps again you ave,you ave.

Brilliant detective work!

Back to lessons for me then.

Dog with bone, is the lesson. ;)

We both saw that birth, I went chasing him down! And clicked on through and through, and there were both surnames staring at me. Oh my oh my, I thought. How good of him to have used both surnames when he did that!

Surprise for Susan when she wakes up.

Terrific work ladies! Just tell us Janey - did he go to West / South Africa? This is the stuff good novels come from! Sorry Susan don't mean to belittle in any way the hardships your Grandma must have faced.

Well, as far as we can tell, he probably didn't go anywhere. But we do know the name he was using when he left home, for sure, and it does look like he had another family he probably went to live with.

It would indeed have been terribly hard for Susan's grandma (I think I got my generations a bit muddled above, but I think Susan will figure it out). And now possibly to have half-siblings. A bit of a weight on Susan's shoulders to know this now I imagine. This is where we outsiders are useless -- we can find the info, but what to do with it, that's a family thing, and I know all I can do is wish everyone well in the next steps.

I have searched high and low for him on any passenger ships and nothing fits perfectly at all,so I am of the opinion that he didnt go anywhere but it was a good get out clause from the maintenance order,if that was the reason for saying it was his intention.

MEN!

I guess the quarters will need to be searched for a possible death,or wait for them to be transcribed to search,which shouldnt be THAT long now on Ancestry.

I do hope Sue can get her head round all this,and Good luck and best wishes for the future.

Hi Viv /Janey,
After the interesting details you sent to me,
I sent a message to Frances , but as to yet no reply.Waiting patiently!
Meanwhile, could you tell me which site would be best for me to subscribe to , for more information and the best deal, for searching
for relations? I would appreciate your advice,I tried the basic Ancestry 14 day free trial, but couldn't achieve much .Would it be better to have a more expensive deal ,or is Find My Past a better option.
.I'm still hoping to find details of my Grandfather and of other ancestors.
Many Thanks.
Sue

Have you checked your Sent Messages to see whether your PM has been read? If the envelope beside it is still purple, it hasn't been. Probably because the recipient has changed email accounts and has not received notification.


For research, Ancestry is the best. I have just the basic UK, but I think the deluxe UK is a good deal.

You should have been able to do everything with the free trial that can be done with the full subscription. You may not be tricky enough with your searching -- for instance, mistranscriptions are rife, and you someitmes have to search with only a partial surname, or no surname, in censuses and such. Sometimes people make the mistake of searching with too many specifics, when the fewest is often the best. Anything someone else could try for you?

Hi Janey
Thanks , may well do that.