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lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 30 Oct 2009 13:48

marriage of Adam to Mary Cowell

Adam a 25 Engineer of Fox St father Daniel - contractor

Mary Cowell a 22 of Lower Pitt St father John (can't read occupation)

witnesses George Cowell & ? Dewhirst

difficult to reconcile Adam an engineer with Adam a pawnbroker!

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 26 Oct 2009 14:28

from that marriage record it does look like Mary was born 1868/69. I wonder if she lied about her father and she was actually illegitimate.

Will look at marriage of Adam & Mary Cowell in 1868 (St John's Preston) to see what his occupation was next time I go to LRO.

There was no baptism of a Mary Stevenson c1868 at St John's but did not look for a Mary Cowell to see if she was born before the marriage.

Did find this eath though on freebmd which might fit

Deaths Mar 1876 (>99%)
Stephenson Adam 32 Preston 8e 450

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 16 Oct 2009 13:41

just looked at marriage register for James & Mary on 24 July 1888 St Lawrence church Longridge

father Adam is described as deceased and a pawnbroker

Mary is definitely Mary Theresa age 19 of Ribchester & James is age 40 (widower)

witnesses William Walton & Ellen Gregson

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 1 Sep 2009 00:04

maybe it is time to look at parish registers for the baptism

if you have not resolved this in the next month let me know as I can go to the lancs records office but not until end sept/beginning oct

Battenburg

Battenburg Report 31 Aug 2009 23:55

Birth

Mary Cowell 1867 mar qt Preston Lancashire gro ref 8e 543.

Perhaps Theresa was given at baptism

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 31 Aug 2009 23:41

I think you need to dig out that cert. Her parents can't be the Adam and Mary listed earlier because she was born before the marriage and they had a daughter Mary about 10 years younger than your Mary.

Rose

Hannah

Hannah Report 31 Aug 2009 21:59

Thats them, yes. Sorry, joseph was married in blackburn but was not born there.

Battenburg

Battenburg Report 31 Aug 2009 21:57

1911 Census for others to see.

Mary Theresa Bradshaw 1868
Joseph 1896
John W 1892
Bertie 1900
living Preston

Strange when I put Joseph Bradshaw 1896-+ 1 born either Blackburn or Dilworth it comes up no match

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 31 Aug 2009 21:53

had difficulty finding Joseph but mmn mistranscribed

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BRADSHAW Joseph Alston Preston STEVENS

so Joseph was born in the same area as the others not Blackburn - if he was really born Blackburn then we are tracing the wrong family

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 31 Aug 2009 21:47

there are also these 2

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1892
BRADSHAW Robert
Alston
STEVENSON

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
BRADSHAW Richard
Alston
STEVENSON

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 31 Aug 2009 21:46

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1889
BRADSHAW George
Alston
mmn = STEPHENSON

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1891
BRADSHAW John William
Alston
mmn = STEPHENSON

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1900
BRADSHAW Bertie
Alston
mmn = STEVENSON

Battenburg

Battenburg Report 31 Aug 2009 21:36

1901 censusonline. Here on GR .
Mary E Bradshaw is transcribed as Mary S Bradshaw so obviously the transcribers are not sure and it could be T

Hannah

Hannah Report 31 Aug 2009 21:36

Hi, Yes i am sure. I wrote down the information from the certificate in a note book and i just checked and its def Adam.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 31 Aug 2009 21:30

Hannah,

Are you sure her father is Adam? You did saw you had misplaced the marriage cert.

Rose

Hannah

Hannah Report 31 Aug 2009 21:27

That is the family Rose. I think the Mary E bit may be a mistake because if you look at the original census it looks like a T.
Also on their marriage certificate it is Theresa.

Hannah

Hannah Report 31 Aug 2009 21:24

Hi,

Joseph was born in 1895 in Blackburn, Lancashire (on the 1911 census it states he was born in Dilworth, Lancashire).
His father was James Bradshaw born 1847 in dilworth, lancashire.
His mother was Mary Theresa Stevenson, born in Preston.
James had been married before and several children from his previous wife but with Mary Theresa they had- George b. 1890, John b. 1892, and Bertie b.1900.
On the census it looks as though James was 19 years older than Mary Theresa.
On their marriage certificate, there is still the age difference and Mary's father is noted as Adam Stevenson.
I have traced the Bradshaw line back and i have been getting a bit confused with Mary Theresa.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 31 Aug 2009 21:21

1891 England Census
about Mary T Bradshaw
Name: Mary T Bradshaw
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Dilworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Longridge
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Alston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Bradshaw 44
Mary T Bradshaw 25
Thomas Bradshaw 20
Edward Bradshaw 28
Arthur Bradshaw 15
James Bradshaw 12
Mary Ellen Bradshaw 8
George Bradshaw 1

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 31 Aug 2009 21:19

1901:

1901 England Census
about Mary E Bradshaw
Name: Mary E Bradshaw
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Dilworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Longridge St Lawrence
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Alston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
James Bradshaw 54
Mary E Bradshaw 34
James Bradshaw 21
George Bradshaw 11
John Wm Bradshaw 10
Robert Bradshaw 8
Joseph Bradshaw 6
Bertie Bradshaw 1

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 31 Aug 2009 21:14

Hannah,

Can you start with Joseph's birth cert. and list the details?

Rose

Hannah

Hannah Report 31 Aug 2009 21:12

Hi Flo, On the census, it says her father was born in liverpool, lancashire so west derby would make sense but i think someone above found a death for that mary theresa